Sarah Kaur is not your typical technologist, and that’s the point. As Principal Design Strategist at Portable, she brings an artist’s eye and a community-first mindset to the world of AI and justice tech. In this episode, Sarah joins Georgie Healy to explore what it really means to build AI that works with people, not just on them.

They dive into the hidden biases in design, the pitfalls of “black box” systems, and the real cost of leaving communities out of the development process. From building tools in Australia’s family law system to dreaming up a sovereign digital twin that protects your data, Sarah’s approach to ethical innovation is bold, reflective, and deeply grounded in care.

Whether you’re designing for scale or simply wondering how AI can be made more equitable, this conversation will give you a new lens on what it means to build technology that respects, adapts, and listens.

03:20 – From Artist to AI Strategist: Sarah’s Unconventional Path

07:42 – What Human-Centred AI Actually Means

11:57 – Sitting in Ambiguity: The Black Box Camera Experiment

14:40 – Using ChatGPT to Surface Personal Bias

18:20 – What the Public Doesn’t Understand About AI Design

22:32 – Why Co-Design Matters More Than Ever

30:32 – Designing With Communities, Not Just for Them

35:40 – When Explainability Matters More Than Accuracy in AI

40:00 – Inside Portable’s AI Sprint Model

43:02 – Ethical AI vs. Imaginative AI

47:31 – Dream Tech: A Sovereign Digital Twin That Asks for Consent

👩‍💻 Sarah Kaur on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarahkaur/

🏢 Portable – https://www.portable.com.au/

📘 Amica (Family Law Tool) – https://www.amica.gov.au/

🛠️ AI Sprint Model by Portable – https://www.portable.com.au/articles/ai-design-sprints

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Laura McClure, Member of Parliament for the ACT Party in New Zealand, joins In the Blink of AI to unpack her viral deepfake experience, her groundbreaking member’s bill, and why tech regulation must protect victims without stifling innovation.

In a powerful conversation, Laura reveals how she created a deepfake of herself in minutes—and why it’s a wake-up call for policymakers worldwide. She shares insights on balancing tech freedoms with responsible safeguards, why regulation is about behaviour not banning tools, and how New Zealand’s slow policy-making could leave them lagging behind.

Laura also discusses how ACT’s libertarian values shape her pro-innovation, pro-startup stance and why deepfakes are a threat not just to teenagers, but to democracy itself. From the electricity grid challenges that could stall New Zealand’s AI adoption to the opportunities in agriculture and defence, this is a must-listen for founders, policymakers, and anyone passionate about the future of technology.

02:20 – Meet Laura McClure (ACT Party MP): From accidental politician to tech advocate

07:25 – Why Laura Entered Politics: Tackling New Zealand’s alarming government debt

09:13 – AI Hacks of the Week: Game-changing educational tech and viral LinkedIn strategies

13:24 – Going Viral with a Nude Deepfake: The shocking truth behind Laura’s Parliament demonstration

23:47 – Why Target Individuals, Not Tech: How Laura’s bill tackles deepfake abuse effectively

27:16 – Pro-Tech, Not Pro-Regulation: Laura’s vision to accelerate AI adoption in NZ and Australia

35:01 – The Infrastructure Challenge: What NZ must fix to power an AI-driven future

39:57 – Skills for the AI Era: Why critical thinking trumps rote learning

44:50 – Laura’s AI-Powered NZ: Her 5–10 year vision of an AI-enabled economy

👩‍💼 Laura McClure on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7330443186185613312/

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Kunal Gupta, founder, investor, and author of 2034: How AI Changed Humanity Forever, joins Georgie Healy for a deep dive into the intersection of AI, self-awareness, and responsible innovation. From his base in sunny Lisbon, and with a live cameo from his AI clone, Kunal shares how meditation, writing, and intentional living helped him navigate burnout and build resilience in the fast-paced world of AI.

This episode unpacks the rise of the “digital aristocracy,” explores the untapped potential of AI literacy as the next great equaliser, and reveals Kunal’s personal hacks for balancing the demands of a hyper-connected world. He also gives listeners an inside look at his acclaimed AI newsletter, Pivot Five, and why consistency, and curiosity, are key to building authentic communities in the AI era.

Whether you’re an entrepreneur, AI enthusiast, or just trying to find balance in an AI-driven world, Kunal’s insights will inspire you to ask the right questions, and stay human at the heart of it all.

03:06 — How Meditation Helped Kunal Conquer Burnout

07:49 — From Burnout to Introspection: The Power of Knowing Yourself

11:13 — Kunal’s First Ever Blog Post: A Time Audit That Changed Everything

15:17 — AI Hack of the Week: Summarising PDFs with ChatGPT

17:44 — The Value of Prompting ChatGPT to Learn About Yourself

20:20 — Why Kunal Wrote 2034, And What’s Already Coming True

22:24 — The Rise of the Digital Aristocracy and AI’s Social Divide

29:21 — Designing AI for Seniors: A Huge Untapped Opportunity

31:19 — Why AI Literacy is the Next Big Equalizer

35:00 — Experimenting with Kunal’s AI Clone—Live on Air

38:57 — The Ethics of AI: Enhancing Humanity vs. Diminishing It

42:03 — How Education Must Adapt for AI Literacy

46:41 — Building Communities & Movements in the AI Era

48:15 — Staying True to Yourself: Consistency, Expectation, and Trust

50:16 — Rapid Fire: AI Dinner Guests, AI Music, and Tech’s Next Big Bets

53:13 — The Great Humbling of Humanity: The Future of Work & Skills

👨‍💻 Kunal Gupta on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/bykunal/

📚 Pivot Five AI Newsletter – https://pivot5.beehiiv.com/

📝 How to Live Weekly Journal – https://www.howto.live/

📘 2034: How AI Changed Humanity Forever (Book) – https://www.amazon.com/2034-How-Changed-Humanity-Forever/dp/B0D8VB32NJ

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