In Episode 47 of the Cody Kai Cast, Austin artist and creative force Zeale joins Cody and Kai for a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation about what it actually means to be an artist in public.

Zeale breaks down why cancel culture feels temporary, but real-world consequences—what he calls “murder culture”—are permanent, and how context, geography, and power change what artists can and can’t safely say. The conversation touches on Dave Chappelle, taboo, free speech, and why artists instinctively push toward forbidden ground the moment someone tells them not to go there.

From there, Zeale reflects on his background in battle rap, freestyling for hours with live bands, and how repetition, bombing, and pressure build real creative muscle. He explains why performance is about being in the arena, not the comment section—and why criticism, when it’s honest, can accelerate growth instead of killing it.

The episode moves fluidly between music, comedy, internet culture, and existential risk—touching on Kill Tony, audience judgment, creative ownership, and why sticking to your principles matters more than riding cultural tides.

This is a candid, funny, and thoughtful episode about risk, responsibility, and staying grounded while living in chaos.