Horsewoman and trainer Sharon Camarillo on the little things.

When you're unsaddling your horse, that's the time to look for dry spots, rubbed hairs, soreness when you're brushing that horse's back off. I always like to use just a little alcohol and water or liniment on my horse's back as I brush off that sweat. And you know, you're a good sitting saddle with the right pad when you pull it off, should have an even sweat pattern. If you see white hair starting in an area up on that spine, it's pretty confident that it's a pressure point. When your horses quit working, when they're switching their tail, when they're grumpy, when their ears move, you need to listen to that horse. He's trying to tell you something and a lot of times you can fix it by just paying attention to quality of equipment. It's not how much you pay for it. It's really the fit. How it sits on that horse's back, the type of pad you're using. I said it earlier, I'm going to say it again. When you're around your horse, when you walk to the stall or the pasture to catch him, that's when you need to put your mind in the game.

California Horsewoman and trainer Sharon Camarillo.

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Let's join the conversation that the late Howard Hale had with Trainer Sharon Camarillo...

The best horse that I've ever took to the national finals, 7, this horse I bought from a cutting trainer, Leon Harold, when he was 3, he wasn't really broke. I got him broke. I was sending some cowboys on ranches to just put some miles on him. He's always a little volatile. My husband used to say if you ever get this one coming around he's going to be a good one but take a deep seat in the far away look. In the meantime, as a 5-year-old he's still trotting through the barrels and if you didn't cue him and show him he just trot on by. I thought, man, this is dumbest horse I've ever seen. I can't even sell him because he's not very smart. I had a horse that I was running. The horse got sick before we went to a big rodeo here in California, Salinas. So instead of turning out, I put this colt in and at that point the colt was 7. I always laugh when the horses are 3, 4, 5. I always say, well, you'll make a nice 7-year-old. This was a horse winning 7. I said he's going to make a nice 12-year-old.

That was California horsewoman and trainer, Sharon Camarillo.

Is it important to have a relaxed horse during a competition?

A point to make is you see some barrel racing horses that may be really good. They walk out calm and comfortable. Then it's time to go and they run through their routine and then they come back and they turn it off and they're calm and they're comfortable again. Then you see these other ones that are so juiced up. I don't know. Parents tie that poor little girl like a monkey and she goes through the whole thing and then everybody has to calm that horse down afterwards. I've been asked to speak at race tracks because people have started to learn that a relaxed horse is actually a faster horse than a tense anxious horse because the muscles don't bunch up as much and sprinters as well. You know those guys who really run fast, they're actually relaxed and they're just taking these nice strides one after another. I think we do everybody a service by the rider being able to be comfortable and the horse being able to be comfortable and the more you can get in harmony in that synchrony going then you're not in your horse's way. Then you guys are talking the same language and that's kind of what we're hoping to do.

~ Dr. Steve Peters.

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Now here's more from Dr. Steve Peters on the question, do the horses have to see us as the leader?

Not really because that's one way that you know that people for years have talked about this. The funny thing is, there's different kinds of leaders. There may be that broodmare, that rules the roost around all the horses in the pasture, but you take that broodmare away from it, everybody else and it gets anxious and nervous and its identity is back taking care of the herd and they're all over the place. So a horse knows that we are not a horse. They know we are a predator. Really what we're looking for is more of a relationship than leadership. Leadership, yeah, in terms of you have to be the director and I think that may be a better term is that you know people think we have to teach so much to a horse. Horses know how already how to trot, how to gallop, how to side pass, they know how to do all that stuff. They can already do it. All we're doing is directing that energy.

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In a past interview, the late Howard Hale once asked Ricky if he had any trouble keeping all those horses sound.

We got to keep 50 riders going and then the condition is that we have to ride these horses in whether it's outside or in that feed yard anywhere it's going to be tough to keep them sound. But no, we don't. But as many horses as we have, the kind of lameness that we have are very, very minor. We don't see a lot of long term joint trouble or that kind of stuff. If anything, it's little things and it's short term.

One thing that we do at our place is all the shoeing is in-house. I brought a friend of mine in from Oklahoma named Tommy Kilgore. He's been one of the best things for my life as far as knowledge on a horse. He's been really a big deal for me in understanding movement and understanding true soundness in a horse. And I brought him in and I've got two people that I work with, two younger guys that are mid-20s and they've taken into the shoeing. So all of that is done in-house.

Having that and being able to trim these horses and balance them the way we want to balance them from an early age now all the way up into this five and six year old range when we start marketing those horses to the public. We have a really good idea what this horse is, what his soundness is, and we understand it at above normal level. So we give these horses the best shock we possibly can. And if we end up having a horse that's lame, it's usually a chronic thing that was going to happen anyway most of the time.

More great information from Horse Trainer, Ricky Quinn. From what I've gathered, the whole program you have there Ricky starts with the halter breaking.

Absolutely. You bring those babies in, you ween them off their mom. First thing we do is toss a little rope around their neck, their foot, but just toss them that rope on there, start and roll the hind quarters in the beginning and allow them all the horses to learn how to come off of the feel to understand that that rope can touch them and it's not the end of the world and just start that mind kind of coming your direction. Working off of pressure, understanding a release of pressure, starting to get them to hunt that release and start drawing that mind in the direction you want it to go.

What age do you start working them?

They're born in May and they start getting halter broke sometime in the November timeframe. We'll be done halter breaking hopefully end of the December timeframe, take a couple months. Once we go through that process, they get bumped out. We'll bring them back in as two-year-olds, they have a crew of guys that come in December. They'll start anywhere from right around 40 head of colts in December as twos, put a handful of rides on them, they get kicked out. So then the threes from the previous year come in at the same time and then from then on they really kind of get camped on as three-year-olds and they get ridden and more moving forward with them into the five and six-year-old mark. So as a three-year-old, three and a half-year-old, they're getting used more, we start introducing to the feed yard, start introducing them to the outside ranching and then really by the time they're five and six they're pretty mature and they're working full-time.

Horse trainer Ricky Quinn with some great information. Find that full interview on Horsemanscorner.com.