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Help Me See What You See - With Susan Asiyanbi Founder and CEO Olori Network

Help Me See What You See - With Susan Asiyanbi Founder and CEO Olori Network

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 Introduction: Seeing Beyond What We See Susan Asiyanbi is one of only two guests in the history of Paper Napkin Wisdom to draw eyes on a napkin. Not symbols. Not words alone. Eyes — complete with lashes — and a simple phrase beneath them: "Help me see what you see." At first glance, it feels poetic. But as this conversation unfolds, you realize it's not poetic at all. It's practical. It's disciplined. And it may be one of the most underutilized leadership skills in modern organizations — and in our personal lives. Susan's work lives at the intersection of leadership, learning, and human systems. And in this conversation, she offers a deceptively simple idea that carries enormous weight: Your perspective is true — and incomplete. That sentence alone could sit on a napkin and change how meetings are run, how families navigate hard seasons, and how leaders unlock innovation, alignment, and trust. What follows is not a theory-heavy conversation. It's a grounded exploration of how curiosity — real curiosity — becomes the gateway to better leadership, stronger relationships, and faster, more sustainable results. govindh-jayaramans-studio_susan… The Core Idea: Perspective Is True and Incomplete One of the most powerful moments in the conversation comes early, when Susan names something many leaders feel but rarely articulate: "I just think it's critical to frame and see the world in a way where you know that your perspective is true — and also incomplete." That framing does two things at once. First, it honors experience. Your view matters. It's informed by what you've lived, seen, and learned. Second, it creates humility. No matter how senior you are, no matter how experienced, you are missing something. And the missing pieces don't live in data dashboards alone. They live in other people. This is where leadership either contracts… or expands. Curiosity Is Not a Soft Skill — It's a Sophisticated One Susan pushes back hard on the idea that curiosity and listening are "soft skills." She reframes them as sophisticated skills — the hardest ones to master. Why? Because our brains are wired to respond, defend, and conclude quickly. The moment someone says, "I see it differently," our nervous system is already preparing a counterargument. Susan offers a disciplined alternative: Ask seven questions. Not to stall. Not to perform curiosity. But to interrupt the brain's rush to certainty. She explains that leaders who claim they "don't have time" for this work are already paying a much higher price — in rework, misalignment, fractured relationships, and emotional repair. Slow down now, or pay for it later — with interest. govindh-jayaramans-studio_susan… When Words Become Shortcuts (and Create Misalignment) One of the most practical insights in the episode is how teams often use the same words — but mean entirely different things. Strategy. Innovation. Culture. Acceleration. Susan shares an example of an executive team all agreeing they had a "strategy problem," only to discover: One leader meant product-market misalignment Another meant execution breakdown Another meant culture and retention Same word. Three different action paths. Zero shared understanding. This is how organizations burn time and energy without realizing it. Curiosity slows the conversation just enough to ask: "When you say that word — what does it mean to you?" That single question can save months of misdirected effort. govindh-jayaramans-studio_susan… The Personal Mirror: When Assumptions Hurt the Most One of the most human moments in the conversation comes when Susan shares a deeply personal story about navigating grief with her siblings after the loss of their father. They all agreed on one thing: "We want to love and support our mom." And yet — chaos followed. Why? Because each sibling held a different definition of what "support" meant: Being physically together Honoring her wishes Planning for long-term care No one asked the seven questions. Everyone assumed alignment. This is the paradox Susan names beautifully: We take the greatest shortcuts with the people we love the most. And those shortcuts cost us understanding. The napkin phrase becomes personal here: Help me see what you see — especially when I think I already know. govindh-jayaramans-studio_susan… The Currency of Challenge Is Connection A subtle but powerful theme emerges as the conversation deepens: Once someone feels understood, challenge becomes possible. Susan calls understanding the currency for challenge and change. When people know you've truly seen their ...
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