In this lively and wide-ranging Open Chat Friday episode of the Grace Life Podcast, Joel and Hal kick things off with an original Neo-Soul Gospel track, then dive deep into what grace-based leadership looks like in a secular workplace. Using recent Barna research as a springboard, they explore whether a grace-believing CEO would actually lead differently—discussing stewardship, integrity, profitability, humility, “acceptance-based performance,” speech seasoned with grace, and the tension between character and corporate pressure. Along the way, Hal shares personal stories from his sales and management experience, including standing up to upper management when values clashed with profit models. The conversation then opens up to the live audience, touching on Acts commentaries, AI in ministry, prophecy and contingencies, Daniel 9:27 and the Antichrist’s covenant, the nature of Christ’s descent in Ephesians 4, and even end-times speculation. It’s classic Grace Life—practical, theological, candid, and occasionally rabbit-trail-worthy—in a discussion that blends workplace wisdom, mid-Acts dispensational insight, and real-time interaction with the mad, bad family. Come join us! PTL!

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