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  • Zak Brown Tells All: F1 Secrets, Leadership, and the Cost of Winning

    Zak Brown Tells All: F1 Secrets, Leadership, and the Cost of Winning
    Apr 30 2025
    Ever wonder what it takes to run one of the fastest and most elite teams on the planet? On this episode of Golf Underground, the crew welcomes Zak Brown, CEO of McLaren Racing and a true master of speed, sales, and strategy. From chasing Mickey Mantle as a kid to leading a 1,000-person Formula 1 operation, Zak breaks down the mental grind of racing, what separates winners from losers, how to build a culture that elite drivers want to be part of—and how AI, tire tricks, and track-day politics all factor into the future of F1.If you think golf is tough, wait until you hear what goes down on the pit wall.Must-Hear Insights and Key MomentsZak Brown shares how a childhood obsession with Mickey Mantle turned into a global racing empire.The crew cracks up as Zak tells how he dodged trouble and found racing through "the long way around."Zak reveals the behind-the-scenes pressure of leading McLaren’s 1,000-person Formula 1 operation.AI, tire data, and driver instincts collide in a conversation about how F1 teams win—or completely blow it.Zak and Wardo compare the egos of F1 drivers to pro athletes in other sports, and it gets spicy.George Brett wants to know if there’s such a thing as cheating in F1—Zak’s answer doesn’t disappoint.Brian Sullivan digs into leadership: how Zak handles high-performance people under pressure.Zak drops his golf game stat line—including the story behind the best par he’s ever made.The crew dives into Drive to Survive, McLaren’s media rise, and whether F1 fame helps or hurts performance.Final lightning round: Zak faces the Golf Underground Emergency 9 with answers that cover fantasy baseball, leadership, and vintage cars.Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode"The best teams don’t just hire smart people—they build cultures winners want to join." – Zak Brown"If you take one second off mentally in a race car, you're in the wall." – Zak Brown"We’re not guessing out here—Formula 1 is a thousand-person operation." – Zak Brown"AI can’t measure guts. Not yet." – Zak Brown"Winning used to be about money. Now it’s about people." – Zak Brown"In motorsports, you beg for forgiveness, not ask for permission." – Zak Brown"I shot 92 today, but I also made the best par of my life." – Zak Brown"Drivers aren’t just athletes—they’re pilots, boxers, and chess masters in one." – Zak Brown"The best leaders know when to put an arm around the shoulder—and when to kick some ass." – Zak Brown"You're running a Formula 1 team, and still managing a fantasy baseball roster? That’s elite multitasking." – Brian Sullivan"You get more tech in a race car than a spaceship, and still, some guy will blow it on tire strategy." – Kevin Ward"Zak’s out here leading McLaren and still remembers every stat from Mickey Mantle—respect." – George BrettAbout ZakZak Brown is CEO of McLaren Racing, a position to which he was appointed in April 2018 after joining McLaren in November 2016 as Executive Director of McLaren Technology Group. In his role, Zak has overall responsibility for the McLaren Racing organisation, including the strategic direction, operational performance, marketing and commercial development of the McLaren Formula 1 and IndyCar programmes. After a professional racing career in the US and Europe, Zak founded the agency JMI in 1995, which grew to become the largest motorsport marketing agency in the world and was acquired by Chime Communications PLC in 2013 as part of its sports marketing division, CSM. Brown was appointed the company's Chief Executive Officer before joining McLaren. Zak is chairman and co-owner of United Autosports and was a board member of Cosworth Engineering and non-executive chairman of the Motorsport Network. Born and raised in California, Zak lives with his family near McLaren in Surrey, UK.Follow Zak Brown⁠Instagram⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠Facebook⁠X⁠Follow ‘Golf Underground with Wardo, Sully, and George’⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠
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    1 Std. und 14 Min.
  • From the Range to Augusta: How Pros Really Prepare

    From the Range to Augusta: How Pros Really Prepare
    Apr 9 2025
    What’s it really like being a PGA Tour player during Golf Masters Week?In this episode of Golf Underground, PGA Tour pro Justin Lower takes you behind the scenes of one of golf’s biggest weeks. The golf Masters Tournament is one of the four men’s major championships in professional golf, kicking off the season each April. Justin shares the mental and physical grind of tour life, the prep that separates winners, and what really goes down during this iconic tournament. George Brett drops bombs (both on and off the tee), while Wade, Wardo, and Sully bring the locker room laughs. From taping your mouth shut mid-tournament to TrackMan obsessions and LIV Golf hot takes—this episode is a must-listen.Tune in and get a peek at the underground side of pro golf!Must-Hear Insights and Key MomentsJustin Lower opens up about the mental grind of tour life and how four weeks on the road is his breaking point.George Brett breaks the rules and the room with his no-divot, no-bad-lie golf philosophy.The crew dives into whether Rory McIlroy still belongs in the "Big Three" if he can’t close at Augusta.Wade drops the wild story of a pro taping his mouth shut during a tournament to keep focused.Justin shares how top players separate themselves through elite preparation—not talent.A deep dive into TrackMan and how Lower uses it for real-world simulation, not just stats.LIV Golf gets real talk—Less animosity than you'd think, but big unknowns still loom.A hilarious Masters trivia showdown turns into a trash-talking, medal-winning moment for George Brett.Justin relives his epic Sawgrass drop-zone shot, a go-to practice move he finally pulled off under pressure.Final Masters picks are dropped—with surprising dark horses and bold predictions from every host.Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode"The best players make adjustments, not excuses." – Brian Sullivan"Mentally, it’s a grind out here—and the scoreboard doesn’t show that." – Justin Lower"I don’t play out of divots. I play golf to have fun, not suffer." – George Brett"Grinding to make a cut is ten times harder than finishing last." – Wade Binfield"You either show up ready, or you get exposed. That’s pro golf." – Justin Lower"Rory’s playing his best golf—but Augusta brings out the ghosts." – Justin Lower"There’s Tour A and Tour B… and I’m dragging five bags through airports on Tour B." – Justin Lower"We all think we can win ten times a year—then reality smacks you in the face." – Justin Lower"I saw the shot, dropped it, and said screw it—let’s hit the punch." – Justin Lower"If you're riding the emotional rollercoaster out here, you’re toast by September." – Wade BinfieldAbout JustinJustin Lower, Malone University’s most decorated men's golfer, was inducted into the Hall of Fame in his first year of eligibility. A 4x NAIA All-American and 4x NCCAA All-American, Lower racked up 16 tournament wins, including a career-low 64, which still stands as a Malone record. His 71.0 season scoring average in 2011 is the best in school history. Lower’s career includes prestigious honors such as the Arnold Palmer NAIA Medalist, Jack Nicklaus NAIA MVP, and David Toms GCAA Award. After earning a degree in sports management, he secured his PGA TOUR card with a 15th-place finish at the Korn Ferry Tour Championship in 2021. Currently, he lives in Uniontown with his wife Janise and dog Darby.Follow Justin LowerInstagramLinkedInXFollow ‘Golf Underground with Wardo, Sully, and George’⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠Instagram
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    41 Min.
  • What It Takes to Compete at the Highest Level

    What It Takes to Compete at the Highest Level
    Apr 2 2025

    What separates the good from the great? How do elite athletes handle failure and bounce back stronger? And what lessons from the pros can we apply to our own game?


    On this episode of Golf Underground, George, Sully, and Wardo take you inside the mind of champions—whether on the golf course, the baseball field, or in everyday life. With stories from George’s legendary career and insights from some of the best competitors in the game, this episode is a masterclass in what it takes to perform under pressure, stay mentally sharp, and keep that competitive fire burning long after the final whistle. Tune in as the guys dive deep into the mindset of winners, sharing stories, laughs, and hard-earned wisdom along the way.


    🎧 Listen now and take your competitive edge to the next level!


    Must-Hear Insights and Key Moments

    • George shares his early struggles with golf and what kept him coming back.
    • The surprising connection between baseball and the mental side of golf.
    • Why nerves are a good thing—and how to use them to your advantage.
    • Sully and Wardo discuss what keeps sports, business, and life alike.
      • A hilarious behind-the-scenes look at clubhouse antics.
      • What young athletes today can learn from old-school baseball.


    • Words of Wisdom: Standout Quotes from This Episode

      • "Golf will humble you faster than any sport." – George Brett

      • "If you’re not nervous, you don’t care enough." – George Brett

      • "You can’t fake confidence—you either have it or you don’t." – Kevin Ward

      • "The best players make adjustments, not excuses." – Brian Sullivan

      • "The difference between a good player and a great player? It’s all between the ears." – George Brett


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    31 Min.

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