This week, Marcus and Nora wade through the Trump awards circus, billionaire media custody battles, and the administration's petty racism before calling on Dr. Ralina Joseph, author of Racial Exhaustion: How to Move Through Racism in the Wake of DEI. Together, they dig into what "racial exhaustion" really is, why the DEI backlash hits so hard, and why everyone wants to tap out of race conversations precisely when they matter most. Dr. Joseph breaks down how radical listening and radical speaking can keep us in the fight without losing our minds (or each other) and offers a roadmap for talking about race without combusting, retreating, or throwing our decorative holiday pillows through a window.

Mentioned in the episode:

Racial Exhaustion | Radical Listening | Anjuli Brekke | HPV Vaccine | Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein | The Profoundly Feminist Origins of Frankenstein | Mary Shelley's Frankenstein

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Save the dates to see Dr. Joseph in Seattle:

Feb 23 @ Elliott Bay Books | Feb 26 @Third Place Books Seward Park with Micki Flowers

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Crowded Out: The True Costs of Crowdfunding Healthcare | Readying to Rise

Music: No Tears for a Wolf · Ahamefule J. Oluo · Okanomodé. Used with permission.

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