In Episodes 1–3, we explored why conversations matter, how belief shapes facts, and why disagreement now feels like rejection. This week, we take on a word both sides claim: freedom. Is it autonomy or protection? Agency or responsibility? Dad introduces the tension between Godly freedom and earthly freedom, raising the question of whether moral conviction should ever be legislated onto someone who doesn’t share that belief—and what happens when government itself refuses to follow Supreme Court rulings. As always, this isn’t a debate stage but a table: a conservative Christian father and his gay son continuing the conversation across difference, asking not just what freedom permits, but what it requires.

Theme Music Composed by Bruce Martin

From Episodes 1 and 2, we’ve explored how disagreement becomes dangerous when facts and beliefs are filtered through fear, lived experience, and identity. What used to be healthy debate has increasingly turned into personal confrontation. In today’s episode, our entry point is empathy—not as pity or a buzzword, but as the ability to stay curious about someone else’s reality, even when their beliefs frustrate us. And during Black History Month, we also acknowledge that empathy is shaped by what we don’t fully understand about each other’s history, experience, and power—especially as the right and left often interpret the world through very different fears and frameworks.

What if empathy is the missing bridge between disagreement and rejection—and what if the loss of it is exactly why we’ve stopped being able to sit at the same table?

Theme Music Composed by Bruce Martin

In this episode, we unpack how facts don’t exist in a vacuum—they’re filtered through faith, culture, fear, and lived experience. Acknowledging what we don’t fully understand about the fears and realities of the BIPOC communities, we explore how those unseen experiences shape perspective—both theirs and ours. From algorithms that reinforce division to the loss of gathering across difference, we ask when belief gives facts meaning, when it replaces them, and why we’ve stopped sitting at tables with people who think differently.

Theme Music Composed by Bruce Martin

In their first episode, Tony Shaffer, a conservative Christian father and his gay son, Matthew Shaffer—an artist and educator—begin an honest dialogue about faith, belief, and the hypocrisy they’ve witnessed in media, politics, and leadership. Grounded in lived experience and creative practice, the conversation reflects on why hard conversations are essential to sustaining community—and why continuing the conversation matters more than walking away.

Theme Music Composed by Bruce Martin.