From border politics to prison ministry: Dale Sutherland (The Undercover Pastor) interviews Saul Ramirez, who grew up on the U.S.–Mexico border in Laredo, Texas.

Power, pressure, and integrity: Saul shares his rise from city council to mayor at 32, navigating corruption, faith awakening, and leadership under scrutiny.

A faith redefined: A Gideon Bible and a missionary’s prayer shifted his understanding of success—from good works to grace-filled calling.

National influence, lasting impact: Saul reflects on serving at HUD, advancing affordable housing and community planning beyond political cycles.

When doors close, purpose opens: After politics, Saul rebuilt in the private sector—then stepped into jail ministry, leading Spanish worship and Bible study for incarcerated men.

Hope behind locked doors: A raw conversation about surrender, repentance, forgiveness, and following Jesus when life doesn’t go as planned.

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We talk through 12 common things Christians assume the Bible says, but it actually doesn’t. Not because those ideas are always “bad,” but because confusing Christian culture with Scripture can create unnecessary guilt, fear, and pressure.

Former police officer and pastor Dale Sutherland is joined by Pastor Nate for a grounded conversation covering:

1. The Bible does not say every Christian will feel a “calling” for every decision.

2. The Bible does not say you will have total peace in all circumstances.

3. The Bible does not say your words or thoughts mystically create reality.

4. The Bible does not say every Christian’s destiny is big or public.

5. The Bible does not say you will always enjoy reading the Bible more than everything else.

6. The Bible does not say everything in the world is evil.

7. The Bible does not say all Christians will experience God the same way.

8. The Bible does not say Scripture verses alone cure all anxiety or mental-health struggles.

9. The Bible does not say godly people with faith never get sick.

10. The Bible does not say suffering automatically means God is displeased with you.

11. The Bible does not say faithful believers won’t experience emotional distress.

12. The Bible does not say it’s selfish to pray for your own needs.

If you’ve ever felt like you were “failing” at Christianity because your experience didn’t match what you heard from others — this one is for you.

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Navy SEAL, Todd Peters, and The Undercover Pastor, Dale Sutherland talk candidly about TBI, PTS, suicide risk, HBOT, and the plan to launch Rally Points to help others heal. This episode covers:

• choosing spiritual impact over tactical careers
• Stronghold Alliance mission and model
• chronic migraines and HBOT breakthrough
• treating TBI and PTS without stigma
• the invisible wound and family fallout
• Rally Points as weekly brotherhood
• training facilitators and partnering churches
• credible access to military and law enforcement
• funding treatment packages and scaling goals
• stories of lives changed and sustained hope

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