Jess and Derek take a break from human-created disasters to talk about pop-culture depictions of the science of natural disasters.

Which toxic relationships? Between science and capital, between blockbusters and storm-chasing, and so on and so on.

We reflect on the show as a whole--the cost of lies, what lying exacts from us--and pivot the conversation to the authoritarian turn in contemporary US politics, covering the corrosive public habits that have shredded our social safety net, the myth-making we constantly engage in, authoritarian circles of UNaccountability, and so on.

In this penultimate episode of the season, we talk about what makes a good person in a bad system and what makes bad systems bad. We talk about narrow self-interest, the temptations of power and profit, how being put in charge encourages buy-in, and so on. We talk about the work of science and science communication, especially when it bumps up against state interests. We talk about AI and "connected labor," the limits of human beings and the limits of technology. We never make it to answering the question, "What is the cost of lies?" That'll be for next time.

Also, books we happened to mention:

Allison Pugh, The Last Human Job (PUP, 2024)

Melvin Rogers, The Darkened Light of Faith (PUP, 2023)

John Corrigan, The Feeling of Forgetting (UCP, 2023)