• How Top Brokers Actually Think | Gary Martinez, CCIM
    Feb 17 2026

    How do you close 2,500+ commercial real estate deals?

    In this episode of Commercially Speaking, we sit down with Gary Martinez, CCIM, SIOR, industrial specialist, CI 102 instructor, and one of the most respected brokers in Southern California.

    Gary shares:

    • How he went from property manager to top 1% broker
    • Why specializing changed his income trajectory
    • The difference between fighting for business vs fighting for relationships
    • The “Know, Like, Trust” mindset that built his career
    • His Santa Fe Springs canvassing strategy (door-knocking an entire city)
    • Why most brokers over-educate and lose trust
    • How to read your client’s sophistication level
    • And a brand-new Industrial Demand Gap Model that projects supply shortages years in advance

    If you're a broker trying to scale, an investor analyzing markets, or a developer planning your next move, this episode will sharpen your edge.


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    ⏱ CHAPTERS

    00:00 – 2,500 Deals and Still Learning

    05:12 – From Property Manager to Broker

    12:30 – Why Specializing Changed Everything

    18:40 – Industrial vs Office vs Retail Personality Types

    26:10 – Door Knocking an Entire City

    35:20 – Capacity Utilization & Spotting Expansion

    44:15 – Stop Chasing Deals

    50:10 – The Know, Like, Trust Principle

    58:30 – Over-Educating Clients (Big Mistake)

    01:07:10 – The Industrial Gap Model Explained

    01:25:00 – Forecasting Demand & Vacancy

    01:35:20 – Negotiation Strategy in Tight Markets

    01:43:00 – The Humility of Mastery

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    1 Std. und 34 Min.
  • What Billion-Dollar Investors Actually Look For (It’s Not Your Numbers) | Greg Dugard
    Feb 10 2026

    What do billion-dollar investors and donors actually care about?

    It’s not your pitch deck.

    It’s not your financial model.

    And it’s definitely not your IRR slide.

    In this episode of Commercially Speaking, we sit down with Greg Dugard, COO of Seder Grove Holdings, who previously helped raise over $5 billion during Notre Dame’s historic capital campaign.

    Greg breaks down what he learned from raising billions, working with ultra-high-net-worth families, and now partnering with founders through permanent capital, a long-term investment approach that rejects forced exits, short-term incentives, and five-year flip cycles.

    We explore:

    • What investors actually look for before wiring money
    • Why time horizons destroy more value than bad deals
    • Permanent capital vs private equity and venture capital
    • How misaligned incentives quietly ruin partnerships
    • Why selling too early kills compounding
    • The difference between IRR and long-term wealth creation
    • How founders should evaluate partners before signing
    • Why trust beats returns in the long run
    • What “life’s work” really means for a founder

    If you’re a founder, investor, or operator thinking about taking on capital, this conversation might save you years of regret.

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    00:00 – What Billion-Dollar Investors Really Want

    Why numbers aren’t the point

    04:10 – Raising $5B Without a Med School

    How Notre Dame broke records

    09:40 – Why Most Capital Destroys Value

    The hidden cost of short time horizons

    15:30 – What Permanent Capital Actually Means

    No flips. No forced exits.

    22:20 – Why Selling Too Early Is the Real Risk

    The compounding everyone ignores

    30:10 – IRR vs Multiple on Capital (MoIC)

    Why IRR lies over long periods

    38:40 – Incentives: The Invisible Hand

    The tattoo founders should get

    47:30 – Choosing the Right Capital Partner

    Who you let around the table matters

    55:50 – Trust, Talent, and Long-Term Thinking

    How great companies are really built

    01:05:30 – The Taylor Swift Story

    Yes, this actually happened

    01:10:40 – Advice for Founders Before Signing

    What to know before taking money

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    1 Std. und 23 Min.
  • DST vs 1031: The Tax-Deferred Option No One Explains | With Taylor Ashland
    Feb 3 2026

    If you sell an investment property and want to defer taxes, a 1031 exchange is usually the answer.

    But there’s a problem no one likes to talk about:

    You only have 45 days to identify a replacement property.

    That pressure often leads investors to overpay, settle for deals they don’t love, or rush into more active management when they were actually trying to slow down.

    In this episode of Commercially Speaking, we sit down with Taylor Ashland, founder of Ashland Pacific, to explore Delaware Statutory Trusts (DSTs) as a 1031-eligible alternative.

    DSTs allow investors to:

    • ​Defer capital gains and depreciation recapture taxes
    • ​Invest passively in institutional-quality real estate
    • ​Avoid the 45-day scramble to identify a property
    • ​Eliminate active management and tenant headaches

    We break down:

    • ​How DSTs actually work inside a 1031 exchange
    • ​Why the 45-day window creates bad incentives
    • ​When a DST makes sense (and when it doesn’t)
    • ​Loss of control, lack of liquidity, and real risks
    • ​How DSTs can be a full exit strategy or a “supporting actor”
    • ​Why brokers don’t get paid on DSTs (and why that matters)
    • ​The emotional side of money, taxes, and decision-making

    This episode is not tax or legal advice. It’s a practical, honest conversation about options most investors don’t hear until it’s too late.


    The information discussed in this podcast is for informational purposes only and does not constitute investment advice or an offer to buy or sell any securities. Investing in real estate and 1031 exchange replacement properties may not be suitable for all investors and may involve significant risks. All opinions expressed are those of the speaker and are subject to change without notice. Listeners should consult their own financial professionals before making any investment decisions. Ashland Pacific is a branch office of DFPG Investments, LLC. Securities offered through DFPG Investments, LLC. Member FINRA/SIPC. Investment Advisory Services offered through Diversify Advisory Services, LLC. Ashland Pacific is not affiliated with DFPG or Diversify.


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    • ​https://ashpac.com
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    And yes, Barbara Corcoran… still standing by.

    00:00 – The 45-Day Problem With 1031 Exchanges

    Why rushed timelines force bad decisions

    05:30 – Why Investors Overpay in 1031s

    Incentives brokers love and sellers hate

    10:40 – What Is a Delaware Statutory Trust (DST)?

    Plain-English explanation

    18:30 – How DSTs Qualify for 1031 Exchanges

    Beneficial interests, not partnerships

    27:00 – Passive Real Estate Without Management

    No tenants, no toilets, no calls

    34:45 – Loss of Control & Liquidity (The Real Risks)

    Why DSTs are not for everyone

    42:20 – Using DSTs as a Supporting Actor

    Solving “boot,” debt replacement, and leftover equity

    52:10 – Why Brokers Don’t Get Paid on DSTs

    The incentives nobody explains

    01:01:30 – Emotional Decision-Making in Investing

    Why numbers alone aren’t enough

    01:12:00 – Who a DST Is Actually For

    Ideal scenarios and red flags

    01:22:30 – Final Takeaways

    More options, better decisions


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    1 Std. und 20 Min.
  • You Won. Now What? The Money Problems No One Prepares You For | with Garrett Gatton
    Jan 27 2026

    You built the business.

    The money showed up.

    And suddenly you’re asking the questions no one warned you about:

    Where do I put this money?

    How do I make sure it actually lasts?

    In this episode of Commercially Speaking, we sit down with Garrett Gatton, founder of Reinvest Capital, to talk about what comes after success.

    Garrett works with business owners who’ve already “won” and are now trying to steward capital wisely, buy back time, and build wealth that doesn’t wreck their life or their family.

    This conversation dives into:

    • Why success often creates more complexity, not less
    • The difference between being safe with money and being wise
    • Passive real estate investing vs active distraction
    • Buying back time instead of stacking more responsibility
    • Faith, stewardship, and purpose without sacrificing returns
    • Why unmanaged money becomes anxiety with better snacks
    • How legacy thinking changes every financial decision
    • AI, executive assistants, and scaling your impact without burning out
    • The future of housing, including Ohio’s first 3D-printed concrete home

    If you’ve ever thought, “I did the hard part… now what?”

    This episode is for you.

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    00:00 – You Won. Now What?

    When success creates new problems no one talks about

    02:30 – When Money Stops Feeling Like a Win

    Why unmanaged wealth becomes anxiety

    06:00 – Stewardship vs Wealth Creation

    Why growing money and using it wisely are different skills

    10:00 – From Ministry to Investing

    How Garrett’s background shaped his view of capital

    15:30 – The Hidden Problem With Active Investing

    Why entrepreneurs accidentally buy themselves more work

    20:45 – Buying Back Time

    How passive investing restores freedom

    27:00 – Faith, Business, and Excellence

    Why purpose doesn’t mean lower returns

    34:30 – Executive Assistants + AI

    The real way to scale impact without burning out

    44:00 – Safety vs Wisdom With Money

    Why “playing it safe” can quietly cost you everything

    55:30 – Legacy Thinking

    The question every successful founder asks too late

    01:08:00 – The Future of Housing

    3D-printed concrete homes and what’s coming next

    01:15:00 – Final Takeaway

    What success is actually supposed to buy you

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    1 Std. und 16 Min.
  • Modern Neighborhoods Were Designed To Make Us Lonely. The Solution Is Simple.
    Jan 20 2026
    Why do modern neighborhoods feel disconnected, car-dependent, and soulless?In this episode of Commercially Speaking, we sit down with Austin Tunnell, founder of Building Culture, to talk about real estate development, walkable communities, architecture, and how the built environment shapes human behavior.Austin shares his journey from Big 4 accounting at KPMG to quitting everything, traveling Europe, joining the Peace Corps, learning traditional building by hand, and becoming a developer focused on creating beautiful, human-scale neighborhoods.This episode covers:Walkable neighborhood design vs suburban sprawlWhy modern architecture lost beauty and durabilityMixed-use development, community-centered design, and urban planningHow zoning laws and incentives shaped American suburbsReal estate development with values-aligned investorsWhy efficiency alone is hurting cities and communitiesHow buildings influence culture, behavior, and belongingIf you’re interested in real estate investing, urban planning, architecture, community development, or building better neighborhoods, this conversation will change how you see cities forever.🎧 Listen to the full episode on YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts📺 Subscribe for more conversations on real estate, leadership, and cultureGet Your EA Today with our friends at Super Powers: Superpowershq.com/commerciallyspeakingAustin TunnellX / Twitter: https://x.com/austintunnellLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/austintunnellBuilding CultureBuilding Culture Podcast: https://buildingculture.com/podcastRecommended BooksSuburban NationWorks by Christopher AlexanderWorks by Léon KrierOrganizations & ResourcesCongress for the New Urbanism (CNU)https://www.cnu.orgStrong Townshttps://www.strongtowns.orgUrban Land Institute (ULI)https://uli.org⏱️ Chapters00:00 – Why Modern Neighborhoods Feel BrokenCar-dependent suburbs, isolation, and what’s missing from American communities04:30 – From KPMG Accountant to Quitting EverythingAustin’s Big 4 burnout, depression, and decision to walk away09:20 – Traveling Europe & Discovering What America LostSpain, Portugal, and the architecture that changed everything13:30 – Learning Traditional Building by HandLaying brick, timber framing, and why craftsmanship matters17:50 – Buildings Shape People (Not the Other Way Around)Why the built environment is the human habitat22:30 – Why Beauty Disappeared from ArchitectureEfficiency, zoning, and post-WWII suburban development27:10 – Walkable Neighborhood Design ExplainedMixed-use housing, density done right, and human-scale communities32:20 – What Makes a Great NeighborhoodSidewalks, front porches, parks, local businesses, and community spaces38:00 – Why Suburban Sprawl Is Financially BrokenInfrastructure costs, declining property values, and unsustainable growth44:30 – The Culture Problem Behind Real Estate DevelopmentDemand, incentives, and why consumers share responsibility50:10 – Hiring, Leadership, and Building Culture as a CompanyValues-aligned teams and long-term vision55:40 – A New Renaissance in American CitiesLessons from Florence, patronage, and rebuilding beauty01:01:30 – How to Get Involved & Learn MoreBooks, organizations, and resources Austin recommends
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    1 Std. und 11 Min.
  • CCIM Fall Forum, Capital Camp and Chainsaw Weekend | Happy Thanksgiving | CSPod Ep 124
    Nov 27 2025

    Happy Thanksgiving to all! We are so thankful for every one of you for giving us your eyes and ears for 124 episodes! We will be back in January with bigger guests, wider topics and the same brotherly chemistry.

    Bo and Timmy relive the last couple months starting with last weekend’s annual chainsaw weekend. The Barron boys join their dad at the cabin to prepare wood for the winter.

    Timmy talks about what it was like to emcee the CCIM Fall Forum and Bo found a new hobby when attending Capital Camp.

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    55 Min.
  • The Data Center Crisis No One Is Talking About — With Simon Enwia, CCIM
    Nov 19 2025

    If you want to understand data centers, the power grid crisis, and the real estate race behind the future of AI — this is the episode.

    Today on Commercially Speaking, we sit down with Simon Enwia, CCIM — a multi-state broker, tech-driven developer, and one of the few people specializing in data center development sites. And what he reveals is wild:

    Here’s what you’ll learn in this episode:

    • Why data center vacancy is below 1% nationwide
    • The reason America will need 2x the power by 2030
    • What makes land “powered land” — and why it’s becoming the new gold
    • The exact criteria hyperscalers (Amazon, Meta, Google, Oracle) look for
    • Why data centers are now measured in megawatts per acre, not square footage
    • How the U.S. is locked in an AI arms race with China
    • The brutal truth about NIMBY pushback and community approvals
    • Why some utilities are charging $250,000+ just to get in line for power studies
    • The four things every site absolutely must have:

    Simon breaks down the economics, the pipeline issues, the insane permitting timelines, and why the next decade of CRE may hinge entirely on data center development.

    This is the deep dive on data centers you’ve been looking for.

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    A massive thank-you to Simon Enwia, CCIM for breaking down the world of data centers and the future of AI infrastructure.

    Email: simon@senw.io

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    dc.land

    00:00:00 - Cold Open00:01:29 - Welcome Simon Enwia, CCIM00:04:34 - Becoming an SIOR Candidate00:06:37 - Welcome to KY Bourbon Lesson by Bo00:11:01 - Getting Into CRE00:13:23 - House Flipping00:17:04 - Creating The First Digital Security for REITS00:19:50 - COVID Hits00:20:33 - The Love Of Deal Making00:21:46 - Licensed In 3 States In 10 Days00:24:16 - Senior Advisor At SVN00:26:52 - Getting A Managing Broker’s License In Multiple States00:29:38 - Building A Tech-Based Brokerage00:34:36 - CCIM is Better Than Real Estate MBA00:40:23 - Never Use Your Network. Provide Value To Your Network00:40:53 - Knakal Affiliate Program00:41:32 - An Inch Wide And A Mile Deep00:43:29 - How To Figure Out What To Specialize In00:47:54 - Fiduciary Responsibility00:52:06 - Cheers, Jesus!00:53:01 - A Good Name Is Worth More Than Gold and Silver00:55:55 - The Incredible Worth Ethic Of Immigrants00:57:47 - Data Centers01:02:30 - 1. Vacancy For Data Centers Is At A Low 1%01:03:12 - 2. There Is Not Nearly Enough Power (Will Need Double By 2030)01:05:19 - Bill Gates On Climate Change01:07:23 - 3. There Is An AI Race!01:09:55 - How Important Is Taiwan Right Now?01:14:21 - The Ideal Data Center Property01:17:39 - How Much Power a Hyper Scaler Needs! (Meta, OpenAI etc)01:18:34 - Quantifying The Power Needed01:19:38 - Infrastructure Proximity01:20:43 - The High Cost Of Getting In Line01:21:55 - $200K A Year Software Per User01:22:56 - Several Years To Close01:25:26 - Convincing The Community To Allow A Data Center01:31:48 - Land Size01:33:08 - Water Usage01:34:08 - Fiber and Redundancy01:36:37 - Leasing a Humanoid Robot01:39:41 - Behind The Meter (What’s Not Connected To The Grid)01:40:33 - Becoming The Knakal Of Data Centers01:42:35 - Simon@SENW.io, dc.land01:43:09 - Simon Is Hiring01:44:19 - Pop Quiz02:03:25 - forum.senw.io02:04:04 - Outro


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    2 Std. und 6 Min.
  • The Executive Coach Your Favorite CEO Is Probably Hiding | with Mary Katherine Wathen
    Nov 11 2025

    She built a coaching company, wrote a book in four days, and raises seven kids—Mary Katherine Wathen is redefining what it means to lead a meaningful, integrated life. In this live studio episode, she joins Bo and Timmy to talk executive coaching, identity, leadership burnout, humility at the top, and how to live authentically at work, at home, and everywhere in between.

    💥 Whether you're a burned-out broker or a high-achieving exec wondering, “Is this it?”—this episode is your wake-up call.

    📚 Book: Made for More https://a.co/d/5ca0QfV

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    #Leadership #Coaching #CommerciallySpeaking #CRE #ExecutiveCoaching #MaryKatherineWathen

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