BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 8 : JUST RACE

In our episode this week, we talk with Hannah about themes of race, identity and advocacy. Hannah is a Korean-Canadian educator and marathon runner, and in this conversation she shares some pivotal experiences from her youth which led into deeper exploration of her own identity, and subsequently heightened her awareness around racial injustice and discrimination.

The subject of racism/anti-racism can be an uncomfortable one to broach for various different reasons. So with this conversation we wanted to provide an entry point to the discourse for both ourselves and our listeners. If you’re curious about learning more, the books/resources mentioned in this episode are listed below!

The Four Pivots by Shawn A. Ginwright - Reimagining Justice. Reimagining ourselves

The Wake Up by Michelle Mijung Kim - Closing the gap between good intentions and real change

White Women by Regina Jackson - Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and How to Do Better

Holy HurtPodcast, Episode 8, Unsettling Ourselves by Dr Hillary McBride

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 7 : CERTAIN MEN WOULD

This week on the podcast, we chat with Grant Klassen, Micah’s husband of 12 years. Grant is the owner of Goodwood Audio, a company he started in 2013 with a friend which caters to touring musicians - mainly guitarists.

In this episode we discuss:

Finding a career path that feels right Metrics & Tensions: the realities of running a small business

Marriage dynamics, parenting & gender roles

Questioning Christian Certainty Success & Masculinity: how would/wood you define them?!

We hope you join us for this conversation! We really enjoyed it.

You can check out Goodwood Audio on instagram, @goodwoodaudio

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 6 : FOR ART'S SAKE

This week on the podcast, Christa and Micah chat to DJ, or dwi - a local independent artist and musician. In their conversation they explore the context surrounding dwi’s album ‘Zoo Life’, the song-writing process and some key experiences that shaped DJ’s childhood. They also dive into topics like church music, the idea of God as a loving father, art as an avenue for processing trauma, parenting, self-perception and a whole lot more!

Note: please excuse some of the audio quality - as we had some technical difficulties - we appreciate you listening to this great conversation!

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 5 : BAD THOUGHTS

In this episode, we continue a conversation around engaging with the world - both on a personal level and technological level; we talk about some of the themes in our lives that feel complex, extremely polarized, and often plain confusing (ie politics, social and cultural dynamics) and discuss questions like

“Where does our responsibility lie in all of this?” “What should we take responsible for?” “How - and why - should we seek to use our voices?” “Should we even care about politics?”

This is an honest check-in for both of us which took place about 6 months ago, and though some of the views and opinions expressed in this episode have since changed, or have been further informed, we believe this conversation is still relevant and reflective of topics we believe are important to talk about.

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 4 : LIGHT THE TORCH

This week on the podcast, Christa and Micah talk with Shannon - a lunar mentor, plant medicine facilitator, and entrepreneur.

She shares memories and pivotal moments from her spiritual journey, reflecting on:

Growing up immersed in evangelical Christianity

Questions that were always present but never fully answered

Working for YWAM and participating in overseas missionary trips

Leaving Church altogether

The importance of paying attention to your intuition

Jesus, the ultimate shaman?

The spiritual benefits of plant medicine

Facilitating plant circles and helping others heal

Shannon can be found online @themodernhustle.ca

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP 3 : GOOD SOUL

What is the difference between a Pastor and a Spiritual Director? What could it look like to engage with our spirituality outside of a church system and all the politics that come with it? How do we cultivate a nourishing spiritual community, or companionship, when we may have been harmed by a previous religious community?

This week on the podcast, Christa and Micah chat with Samuel Fagan, a spiritual director, husband, father, and ex-pastor from Sydney, Australia.

In this conversation, we reflect on the following:

Sam’s upbringing and family dynamic

His years as a pastor at Hillsong Church

How both Micah and Sam felt when their Senior pastor suddenly resigned

How Sam found his way into Spiritual Directing

Navigating church trauma and evolving belief systems

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP2 : SPACE FOR GRIEF

Nat is an Australian-born photographer, designer, and mother to three beautiful children. Tragically, in 2020 she lost her husband of 13 years in a freak accident, followed by the loss of her beloved Dad four months later due to cancer. This week on the podcast, Micah and Christa sit down with her to talk about the magnitude of those experiences, and how she has learned to continue walking forward after such devastating loss. Conversation covers:

• The importance of making space for grief and how we can understand it better
• Widow - holding a new identity and facing some of the social stigma surrounding it
• Parenting alone after losing a spouse
• Dealing with the expectations and projections of those in your community
• Navigating “widow’s fire” - the complexity of finding love and companionship again after loss

BAD PEOPLE PODCAST // S2 EP1 : WHERE ARE WE NOW?

Welcome to Season 2 of the Bad People podcast! In this episode, Christa and Micah reflect on how they both felt after recording the final episode of season one - CONFESSIONS - and where they’re at now. They explore what the title ‘Bad People’ means to them, what it could represent on a wider scale, and talk about how looking at the uncomfortable or conflicting parts of ourselves can actually cause our spiritual parameters to expand, rather than contract. They discuss the question “how do we be (and stay) authentic in a world that is constantly trying to mold us?” and how it is potentially at the heart of this project, and also chat about guests they will be holding conversations with over the course of season 2!