In this episode of the psychology podcast, Kimberley Wilson explores gratitude – both real and fake. She talks with her guest, health psychologist Jo Rodriguez, about how can we adopt and feel authentic gratitude.

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Host: Kimberley Wilson Guest: Jo Rodriguez Producer: Kirsten Lass Assistant Producer: Katie Chandler Clarke Researcher: Grace Revill Science Editor: Rami Tzabar Tech Producer: Reuben Huxtable Sound Designer: Ruth Rainey Digital Lead: Richard Berry Podcast artwork photography: Darren Skene And for BBC Sounds: Assistant Commissioner: Izzy Lee-Poulton Commissioning Editor: Rhian Roberts