In this episode, we pick up from where we left before, tracing the thread running through science, symbolism, and human meaning. We return to the Pauli-Jung connection, Kepler’s mathematics, Fludd’s rejected cosmology, and the ancient Goal-Year cycles that linked planetary motion to deep time. We revisit Jung's notion that number acts as an ordering principle across cultures and discuss how ideas emerge, why some are silenced, and why others return in new forms. We move from buried archives in Zurich to Babylonian astronomy to questions about how humans create myth. The conversation ends with a simple challenge: what are you attending to, and how does your attention shape the world you live in?

Books Mentioned:

• The Innermost Kernel by Suzanne Gieser

• Atom and Archetype (Correspondence between Wolfgang Pauli and C.G. Jung)

• Psychology and Religion by C.G. Jung

• Answer to Job by C.G. Jung

• Divination and Synchronicity by Marie-Louise von Franz

• A Portable Cosmos: Revealing the Antikythera Mechanism, Scientific Wonder of the Ancient World, Alexander Jones

In this epidose, we explore the hidden bridge between psyche and matter through the extraordinary meeting of analytical psychology and quantum physics. At its center is the unlikely dialogue between Carl Jung and a Nobel Prize–winning physicist whose inner life, dreams, and obsessions revealed that the unconscious does not stop at the edges of the mind. Drawing on Marie-Louise von Franz’s work, we explore how numbers are not merely quantities but living patterns that structure both inner experience and physical reality. The deeper argument is a cultural one: modern life has privileged measurement over meaning, calculation over consciousness. What is being asked for here is not a rejection of science, but an integration--where individuation, symbolic awareness, and psychological depth become essential for living in a world that has forgotten how to see meaning.

Note: Just as we were discussing the Pauli effect [lab equipment of all kinds would stop working whenever Pauli was in the room], my power went off, the Internet crashed and kicked us both out of the recording. We were able to resume but had a good laugh about "Pauli being in the room."

Books Discussed

Conversations with Marie-Louise von Franz (Inner City Books)

Number and Time by Marie-Louise von Franz

137: Jung, Pauli, and the Pursuit of a Scientific Obsession by Arthur I. Miller

Collected Works of C. G. Jung, Volume 13

The Jung-Pauli Conjecture and Its Impact Today (anthology)

Valley of Diamonds, J. Gary Sparks

In this episode we explore ancient Babylonian star lore as a synchronistic “heavenly writing” that links sky and earth through meaning rather than physical causation, drawing on the work of scholars like Francesca Rochberg and Gavin White’s book Babylonian Star-lore. These works allow us to connect Babylonian ideas about constellations, portals of the dead, and ancestral sky myths with Jung’s notion of synchronicity, Marie-Louise von Franz’s insights into number and myth, and Rick Tarnas’s view of the living cosmos. The conversation ranges through cultural astronomy (including Bernadette Brady’s work), the misdating and later dismissal of the Corpus Hermeticum, and historical episodes such as George Smith’s discovery of the Babylonian flood tablets in Ashurbanipal’s library, which emerged alongside Darwin, Nietzsche, Marx, and Freud in a period that shook religious certainties. We also discuss how indigenous and Babylonian sky stories encode seasonal tasks and ritual responses to planetary configurations, Along the way, we return repeatedly to the need for a living, metaphorical relationship with the cosmos, arguing that when astrology is treated as a qualitative language of time rather than a failed “science,” it restores a sense of dialogue with an ensouled universe.