In this episode, Heidi and Gennaro explore the concept of flow and its significance in enhancing creativity. They discuss the definition of flow, the research by Mihaly Csíkszentmihályi, and the importance of attention in achieving this state. The conversation delves into practical steps to cultivate flow, the challenge-skill balance, and the triggers that can help individuals enter flow. They also address barriers to flow, such as self-consciousness and distractions, and provide practical tips for achieving flow in creative endeavors.

References:

• Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention by Johann Hari
• Flow: The Psychology of Optimal Experience by Mihály Csíkszentmihályi
• Beyond Boredom and Anxiety: Experiencing Flow in Work and Play by Mihály Csíkszentmihályi
• Flow Research Collective
• The Siren’s Call by Chris Hayes

Takeaways:

• Attention is crucial for achieving flow.
• Curiosity drives creativity and helps trigger flow.
• You need to resolve to commit to a task to enter flow.
• The challenge of a task should be slightly above your skill level.
• Immediate feedback is essential for maintaining flow.
• Self-consciousness can block the flow state.
• The optimal time for flow is between 90 to 110 minutes.
• Practicing flow can significantly enhance creativity.

Chapters

• 00:00 - Introduction to Flow State
• 01:16 - Understanding Flow: Definition and Characteristics
• 03:51 - Historical Context and Key Figures in Flow Research
• 07:22 - The Relationship Between Flow and Happiness
• 09:43 - Steps to Achieve Flow State
• 14:52 - Conditions Supporting Flow State
• 20:04 - Exploring Flow Triggers and Creativity
• 22:12 - Curiosity as a Flow Trigger
• 23:49 - The Role of Passion in Creativity
• 25:04 - Finding Purpose in Creative Endeavors
• 28:05 - Understanding Flow and Creativity
• 29:56 - Identifying Flow Blockers
• 32:10 - Optimal Time for Flow State
• 34:58 - Applying Flow to Creative Processes

In this episode of Also That, Heidi and Gennaro sit down with Northern California-based songwriter and storyteller Benjamin North to talk about music, process, and the art of staying creatively alive. Benji has written more than 40 songs and countless horror short stories. In this conversation, he shares what it takes to keep writing honestly, consistently, and finding joy in the act of making art.

Join us for a conversation about:

• Why letting go of perfectionism fuels authentic art
• How the creative process evolves throughout time
• The balance between discipline and inspiration
• Using failure and “doing stupid stuff” as creative practice
• How to know when you’ve made “good” art

Whether you’re a writer, musician, or creative spirit searching for your rhythm, this episode is a reminder that every song and every story—finished or not—teaches you something about who you are.

Find Benjamin’s music and videos on Instagram and YouTube at @music.benjamin.north.

Also That is a community-driven podcast exploring how adults cultivate creativity and connection. Join the conversation on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube @AlsoThatPod, or email us at AlsoThatPod@gmail.com

In this episode of Also That, Heidi and Gennaro talk with Houston-based muralist and painter Hannah Bull about how and why she connects her art to something bigger. By centering on ecology, place, and community, Hannah’s social sculptures and public art installations are meant to be experienced.

Join us for a conversation about:

• Using imposter syndrome to your advantage
• Finding your way to the art you were meant to create
• Fostering connection through art, urban spaces, and shared experience
• Houston’s vibrant art scene and more!

Hannah is currently the artist-in-residence at Hobby Airport in Houston, TX. Learn more about Hannah and see her murals at https://hannahbull.com. You can follow her on instagram at HannahBullNectar.

Also That is a community-driven podcast where we explore ways to cultivate a more creative life. Join the conversation on Instagram and TikTok. Follow us @AlsoThatPod. Or send us an email at alsothatpod@gmail.com