Dave Gieselman never thought he’d live past 25. Years of chaos in restaurant kitchens, fueled by alcohol and cocaine, convinced him burnout was inevitable. But free donuts pulled him into sobriety, and breathwork showed him how to calm his nervous system instead of destroying it.

This conversation isn’t about chasing profit or building fast. It’s about the painful, necessary growth that comes from aligning what you build with who you are.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

Why building without purpose drains you—and why purpose makes the hard parts fuel you.

How chaos disguised as “normal” can quietly kill you.

Why failure in business and marriage doesn’t have to mean you’ve failed.

The nervous system hack that works when nothing else does.

Why discomfort is not the enemy—it’s the curriculum.

Life doesn’t always follow the plan — sometimes it unravels right in front of you. But what if the chaos you’re trying to escape is actually the thing shaping you into a better leader?

In this episode of More Than 10 Words, Cindy Flynn shares how family struggles, unexpected detours, and a firm-wide walkout turned into lessons that built a stronger business than she could have ever planned. Her story proves that when you stop resisting chaos and start learning from it, it becomes your greatest business partner.

What does it mean to truly take care of the people you love?

In this episode of More Than 10 Words, John Siracusa sits down with estate-planning attorney and ProVisors member Rod Hatley to explore how a childhood shaped by a hardworking, distant father turned into a lifelong mission to protect families.

Rod grew up raised almost entirely by his father — a man who worked constantly to provide, but who later admitted on his deathbed that he wished he had spent more time creating memories instead of accumulating wealth. When his father passed away, the absence of a proper estate plan forced Rod and his sister into a painful seven-year probate process — a delay that could have been avoided, and one that changed Rod’s life forever.

That experience is what ultimately led Rod into law, tax strategy, and estate planning, not just as a profession, but as a way to prevent other families from going through the same uncertainty, conflict, and loss.

John weaves in his own story of growing up without a safe place to land, learning to distrust people early, and eventually discovering that relationships — not transactions — are what build real businesses and real lives.

Together, they talk about how our earliest experiences shape how we show up, how pain can quietly become purpose, and how becoming reliable for others often comes from once having no one to rely on.

As Rod puts it, when you’re going through hell… keep going.