In this episode of the Wholistic Productivity Podcast, Chris LeBrun sits down with Jason Mustard, an immigration attorney and law firm partner, to explore what it really takes to make a major career pivot later in life—without sacrificing your values, your family, or your well-being.

Jason brings a rare perspective shaped by lived experience. After earning a journalism degree and spending a decade working in education, marketing, and recruitment, Jason made the bold decision to leave a stable career and return to school for law—with a spouse, young kids, and real financial pressure in the mix. Today, he practices immigration law in the Bay Area, helping families stay together and individuals pursue new futures.

Together, Chris and Jason unpack the emotional, practical, and productivity challenges of starting over mid-career. They talk candidly about fear, identity, imposter syndrome, preparation, support systems, and why doing meaningful work often requires patience—not urgency.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why making a big career change doesn’t mean starting from zero
• How to manage fear, uncertainty, and imposter syndrome when stakes are high
• The role support systems play in long-term success
• Why “treat it like a job” is a powerful productivity mindset

If you’re wrestling with a career crossroads, a long-held calling, or the tension between professional ambition and personal priorities, this episode will help you think more clearly—and more compassionately—about your next step.

Show Links

Connect with Jason on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-mustard-26642b6a/

Contact his law firm - https://surowitz.com

Chapters

00:00 Introduction
03:02 The Journey of Career Transition
06:42 Understanding Immigration Law
10:03 The Decision to Pursue Law School
13:46 Experiences in Law School
17:14 Overcoming Doubts and Fears
22:05 Support Systems in Career Changes
25:47 Preparing for the Bar Exam
26:35 The Weight of Expectations
29:59 The Journey Through Law School
32:14 Transitioning from Education to Law
34:05 The Impact of Immigration Law
38:08 The Courage of Immigrants
39:52 Balancing Priorities in Law School
45:36 Work-Life Balance in Law Practice
49:29 Navigating Law School Challenges
53:00 The Importance of Doing Hard Things
55:49 Defining Success and Happiness
58:10 Taking Risks and Building Confidence
59:34 The Questions
01:13:13 Conclusion

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In this episode of the Wholistic Productivity Podcast, Chris LeBrun challenges a common assumption about goal setting: that all goals should be treated the same.

They shouldn’t.

Chris breaks down five different types of goals we set—and why understanding the purpose behind each one can dramatically improve motivation, focus, and follow-through. Instead of forcing every goal into the same framework, this episode invites you to design goals that actually fit the season you’re in.

You’ll explore how different goal types serve different roles in your life—helping you build momentum, track progress, grow capacity, or stay connected to what truly matters.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why treating every goal the same leads to frustration and burnout
• The key differences between outcome goals, process goals, growth goals, and impact goals
• How to identify what kind of goal you actually need right now
• Why some goals motivate through progress while others motivate through meaning
• How to use different goal types together to stay consistent without pressure
• A simple framework to help you design goals that support long-term momentum

Whether you’re feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or simply unmotivated by goals that used to excite you, this episode will help you rethink how you set them—and why that changes everything.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction
03:09 Understanding Different Types of Goals
04:30 Outcome Goals: Defining Success
08:52 Performance Goals: Setting Standards
11:02 Process Goals: Actions for Success
15:21 Growth Goals: Who We Are Becoming
17:38 Impact Goals: Aligning with Values
19:17 Integrating Goal Types: A Running Example
21:16 Recap and Conclusion

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In this episode of the Wholistic Productivity Podcast, Chris LeBrun sits down with Jimmy Arnett, a seasoned sales leader and longtime high school sports official, to talk about what sustained performance really looks like—when the pressure is real and the spotlight is on.

Jimmy offers a unique dual lens. In his professional life, he manages $150M in annual revenue as a National Account Sales Manager. Outside of work, he’s spent over three decades officiating high school basketball, volleyball, and softball, including state championship games—where decisions must be made instantly and confidently.

Chris and Jimmy explore the shared skills that connect officiating, leadership, sales, and productivity, including preparation, resilience, handling criticism, learning from mistakes, and staying patient when emotions run high.

This conversation reframes productivity as something deeper than efficiency—highlighting confidence, perspective, and sustainable excellence over the long haul.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why preparation builds confidence in high-pressure moments
• How to handle criticism without letting it derail your focus
• The leadership lessons that translate across careers and callings
• Why patience and perspective improve decision-making
• How to recover from mistakes and keep moving forward
• What sustainable excellence really looks like over the long haul

Show Links

Connect with Jimmy on LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmy-arnett-ab37aa/

Connect with Jimmy on Twitter - https://x.com/jarnett34

Connect with Jimmy on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/jimmy.arnett.16

Chapters

00:00 Introduction
06:01 Exploring the Uniform Industry
11:05 The Art of Sales and Relationship Building
13:48 Getting Started With Officiating
16:03 Lessons from Officiating and Sports
24:14 The Impact of Preparation in Sports and Sales
27:57 Navigating High-Stakes Moments in Officiating
29:07 Connecting Sales and Officiating Experiences
33:33 Navigating Criticism and Heckling
36:59 The Impact of Social Media on Officiating
39:54 Learning from Mistakes and Moving Forward
43:29 Instant Feedback: A Double-Edged Sword
48:34 Common Mistakes of New Officials
49:37 Building Relationships Through Officiating
51:01 Personal Reflections and Motivations

This episode is sponsored by Efficient.app
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