did the CIA invent bitcoin? bob burnett says it doesn't matter and explains why. george bodine, who held a top secret clearance and loaded nuclear weapons on hornets, explains why a secret that big doesn't stay secret. gary leland has a theory about gavin newsom.

then: should you hold bitcoin in your 401(k)? the boomers compare ETFs, IRAs and self-custody, and george tells you the one number that's always wrong.

larry lepard is on puppy duty this week. he'll be back.

0:00 cold open

0:38 welcome to the q&a

0:52 did the CIA invent bitcoin?

4:31 from the studio: george bodine

8:09 a million bitcoin in the wrong hands

9:15 sazmining

9:47 should I hold bitcoin in my 401(k)?

15:23 swan

16:14 from the studio: george on your 401(k)

20:46 larry's excuse

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not financial advice. mining returns vary. bitcoin is volatile. none of us are your advisor, especially gary.

Gary Leland wants to be the first person to live to 200. larry lepard thinks he's nuts. bob burnett explains why your life insurance policy gives up at 121 and what happens if you don't.

chapters

0:00 cold open: "i want to be the first person to live to 200"

0:56 welcome to bitcoin boomers

1:54 larry: "i think you're nuts"

3:24 longevity escape velocity (kurzweil)

5:39 if i make it to 200, i'll make it to 1,000

5:48 sazmining

6:45 the two reasons people don't want to live to 200

9:17 why bitcoiners are into longevity

10:48 aging 10 months a year

11:07 gary's blood markers: 72 to 56

11:42 stem cells in argentina

12:49 bitcoin in your hsa

15:37 airbags for toddlers

16:54 kurzweil: always right, never on time

18:37 your life insurance gives up at 121

19:50 swan

21:38 larry: "i want to be around to see the central banks fail"

22:28 coal miners and 200-year careers

23:12 hard labor is going away

24:20 the retirement fallacy

24:58 you need a purpose

25:41 piña coladas and diminishing returns

26:05 ledn

27:27 five feet ahead in a mile race

30:04 the waves: 90, 115, 140

31:00 outro

hosts

bob burnett @boomer_btc

larry lepard @LawrenceLepard

gary leland @GaryLeland · garyleland.com

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mining roi varies. nothing here is financial advice.

The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise.

Your hosts:

Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster.

Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print.

Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining.

George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner.

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Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.

Bob Burnett was named executive chairman of Ocean on September 1st, three days after Luke Dashjr resigned. In this episode he explains what actually happened, why he thinks the BIP-110 push was never going to work, and why he doesn't think the people behind it are villains.

Larry Lepard argues this isn't the Wild West anymore. Bob argues Bitcoin is crossing the chasm and a lot of companies built for the early era are about to hit a wall. They disagree about almost none of it and still manage to spend twenty five minutes on it. Gary Leland keeps score. George Bodine is absent.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Somebody is trying to be king

00:46 Bob is chairman of Ocean now

01:15 Congratulations, allegedly

01:33 Three good years and a divorce

02:49 Every company hits a wall

03:28 Ledn

03:58 Cold Card, Blockstream, and the chasm

04:46 Geoffrey Moore, 1991

05:09 Innovators, early adopters, the early majority

07:04 Why they asked Bob to run it

08:23 A lot of flame outs

09:06 This isn't the wild west anymore

09:37 Lumpy but better

10:44 Sazmining

11:11 What is Bitcoin, exactly

13:01 Suspending the subsidy

13:26 Rules, not rulers

13:47 A pool's job is to serve miners

15:33 The marketplace decides

16:27 Don Quixote tilting at windmills

17:08 There will be suits

19:39 Pick your villain

20:11 Swan

21:01 What happens at Ocean next

21:37 Reserve judgment

22:59 Luke calls the old chain spam coin

23:50 What is a woman

24:25 I'm going to fire the miners

25:41 Kryder's law and the node problem

26:27 It's pretty fucking good

26:56 Roger that

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None of this is advice. We're three guys who bought it early and still argue about it.

The Bitcoin Boomers is a panel for smart, successful people over 40 still on the outside of Bitcoin looking in. Plain English answers to the questions no one else will touch. Signal without the noise.

Your hosts:

Gary Leland, founder of BitBlockBoom and Hall of Fame podcaster.

Lawrence Lepard, sound money fund manager and author of The Big Print.

Bob Burnett, mining entrepreneur and founder of Barefoot Mining.

George Bodine, the World's Most Interesting Bitcoiner.

Listen to the audio anywhere:

🍎 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bitcoin-boomers/id1853058330

⚡ Fountain: https://fountain.fm/show/kHBRZl0Mb0MGWMELtjw4

Subscribe: https://www.youtube.com/@BTCBoomers

Sponsors who make Boomers possible:

Sazmining, mine your own Bitcoin: https://Sazmining.com/Boomers

Ledn, borrow against your Bitcoin: https://ledn.io/boomers

Follow the hosts:

Bob Burnett https://x.com/boomer_btc | Gary Leland https://x.com/GaryLeland | Lawrence Lepard https://x.com/LawrenceLepard | George Bodine https://x.com/Jethroe111

Educational only. Not financial, legal, tax, or investment advice. Do your own research.