A few years ago, former White House Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri found herself needing help in north central Montana. Her rented mini van was stuck on a snow-covered road a mile (or two) from Jon Tester’s farm, where she was meeting him for an interview to be featured on The Circus.

“It was great television, but mortifying,” Palmieri said. “But yes, Jon Tester big time came to our rescue.”

“The truth is that a staff member was supposed to tell you not to go down that road and he forgot,” Tester said. "So it really wasn’t your fault, but it sure was fun to blame you.”

Beyond the snowy hiccup, Palmieri joined Grounded to talk about her new venture hosting and producing Long Play, a series exploring the South, and the path forward for Democrats to dig themselves out from being stuck on the proverbial political road when it comes to winning elections in the region.

“If you can’t win the South, you can’t lead America,” Palmieri said.

Palmieri explains why southern voters feel misunderstood, the history lessons that have shaped the southern political environment today, and the shifts she sees on the ground. Plus, we talk about electability, independent candidates, and the wildest rumor she ever had to deal with as a comms director.

Before our chat with Palmieri, we discuss new bombshell ProPublica reporting that a Russian oligarch close to Putin secretly paid for parts of Donald Trump Jr.'s wedding in the Bahamas. Jon, who sits on Anthropic’s advisory board, also weighs in on AI safety and why Congress needs to act on regulation.