What happens when we stop outsourcing our spirituality and start learning to hear God for ourselves?

In this episode of Spirit Club, Jordan and Kody begin with Joseph Smith’s final moments at Carthage Jail and quickly move into a much bigger conversation about prophets, mentors, heroes, cult leaders, and why human beings naturally gather around spiritual figureheads.

From Joseph Smith and Jesus to Taoism, Frozen II, masculine and feminine energy, and the tension between safety and adventure, the conversation explores what it means to honor teachers without surrendering our own spiritual responsibility.

Jordan and Kody wrestle with the difference between following a person and following “the way,” the importance of pressure-testing our beliefs, and learning to recognize peace, love, and joy as anchors along the spiritual path.

They also explore the divine masculine and feminine, the relationship between internal and external spirituality, religious trauma, spiritual maturity, and the possibility that God’s call may sometimes lead us beyond the safety of what we already know.

Ultimately, spirituality isn’t something we can outsource. Teachers, prophets, traditions, friends, and communities may help point the way—but the invitation is to see, experience, and connect with the divine for ourselves.

In this episode:

• Joseph Smith’s final moments and the Masonic distress signal
• Why we rally around prophets, heroes, mentors, and spiritual leaders
• The danger of outsourcing your spirituality
• Jesus as “the way” rather than merely a figurehead
• Pressure-testing leaders, beliefs, and ourselves
• Divine masculine and divine feminine
• Internal spirituality vs. external religion
• Religious trauma without throwing out the good
• Frozen II, Elsa, and answering the call into the unknown
• Peace, love, joy, and gratitude as spiritual anchors
• “This is not that, and that is not this”
• Learning to become seers—and asking one another, “What do you see?”

Spirit Club is an ongoing conversation about God, spirituality, meaning, and the experience of being alive.

What if your life itself is a work of art—and God is speaking through the patterns, synchronicities, and subtle clues along the way?

In Episode 8 of Spirit Club, Kody and Jordan begin with Rick Rubin’s The Creative Act and the idea that creativity isn’t reserved for artists. We are all creators, constantly shaping our lives and participating in something larger than ourselves.

That opens a conversation about archetypes, Joseph Campbell’s hero’s journey, the call to adventure, and the recurring spiritual patterns found in stories from Abraham and Moses to Jesus, The Hobbit, Frozen, Dune, and The Grapes of Wrath.

They explore what it means to notice the small promptings of life, to see synchronicities as potentially meaningful, and to approach spirituality with openness rather than cynicism. Kody and Jordan also reflect on their own unlikely reunion at the starting line of the St. George Marathon—and how that moment eventually helped lead to Spirit Club itself.

The conversation ultimately comes back to a simple invitation: pay attention. Notice what resonates. Notice what you resist. Notice what keeps appearing. Follow the quiet call into the unknown.

Maybe revelation isn’t reserved for a select few. Maybe creativity, inspiration, and connection with God are already within us—and part of the adventure is learning how to listen.

What if the purpose of life is simply to fully live it?

In Episode 7 of Spirit Club, Jordan Tilley and Kody Hansen explore presence, impermanence, openness, transformation, and what it means to create heaven on earth—right here, right now.

Kody shares an experience returning to the baseball field where he spent some of the happiest days of his childhood, sparking a conversation about nostalgia, the places that hold our memories, and learning to appreciate beautiful moments without desperately trying to hold onto them.

From there, the conversation flows into surrender and Michael Singer’s The Untethered Soul, the Tao Te Ching, contentment versus expansion, peaks and valleys, death and rebirth, and becoming “anti-fragile”—allowing the difficulties of life to actually transform us.

Jordan shares a principle that has reshaped the way he approaches everything from sales to pickleball to life itself: amateurs compete; professionals create. Rather than seeing life as a zero-sum game of winners and losers, what happens when we approach it as an ongoing act of creation?

They also explore Jesus, radical forgiveness, the sacrament as a ritual of continual rebirth, and the possibility that heaven isn’t merely somewhere we hope to arrive someday—but something available to experience and create now through love, peace, joy, forgiveness, connection, and play.

Maybe life is less about holding on, figuring everything out, or perfecting the performance—and more about getting into the river, surrendering to the current, and fully participating in the experience.

In this episode:

• Revisiting the places that shaped us
• Why beautiful moments don’t need to last forever
• Surrender, openness, and going with the flow
• Contentment vs. the desire for growth
• Peaks, valleys, death, and spiritual rebirth
• Becoming anti-fragile through adversity
• Why “amateurs compete; professionals create”
• Creativity as a spiritual practice
• Letting go of rigid identities
• Jesus, forgiveness, and creating heaven on earth
• Love, peace, joy, and play
• Why the greatest performance may be to stop performing