"Look, these group of people they go out and camp and then they go running."

Helen Payne is a distance runner, Trail Work Ambassador, and student who lives in Santa Barbara. In this episode, Luis is joined by Jon Zaid as a co-host and they chat with Helen about studying plant ecology, plants and relationship to fire, Runners For Public Lands, 9 Trails, where she loves to run, how she got involved with Runners For Public Lands, her running history, the Mammoth 200, High Lonesome 100, and what she has coming up next.

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LUNA SANDALS

"Whether I'm hitting the trails or just hanging out, LUNA Sandals are my favorite.

They're designed by Barefoot Ted of Born to Run and made for every

adventure—ultra running, hiking, or just kicking back. Its minimalist footwear

that's good for your feet!" Check them out and get 15% off at

lunasandals.com/allwedoisrun.

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Braiding Sweetgrass Book: https://www.amazon.com/Braiding-Sweetgrass-Indigenous-Scientific-Knowledge/dp/1571313567

Helen Payne Contact Info:

@hellandpayne

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kevin@roaddogpodcast.com

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Music: Slow Burn by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Original RDP Photo: Photography by Kaori Peters

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"You see locals wearing very proudly their Nine Trails Rabbit shirts."

Sam Marks is the Community and Events Manager for the brand Rabbit. In this episode, Sam chats with Luis about running, 9 Trails, working with Rabbit, trail races that they sponsor and put on, and custom gear created for specific races.

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HAMMER NUTRITION show code: Roaddoghn20

Listeners get a special 15% off at https://www.hammernutrition.com

DRYMAX show code: Roaddog2020

Listeners get a special 15% off at https://www.drymaxsports.com/products/

LUNA SANDALS

"Whether I'm hitting the trails or just hanging out, LUNA Sandals are my favorite.

They're designed by Barefoot Ted of Born to Run and made for every

adventure—ultra running, hiking, or just kicking back. Its minimalist footwear

that's good for your feet!" Check them out and get 15% off at

lunasandals.com/allwedoisrun.

Allwedoisrun.com

Sam Marks Contact Info:

Email: sam.marks@runinrabbit.com

Rabbit Website: https://www.runinrabbit.com

Luis Escobar (Host) Contact:

luis@roaddogpodcast.com

Luis Instagram

Kevin Lyons (Producer) Contact:

kevin@roaddogpodcast.com

yesandvideo.com

Music: Slow Burn by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

Original RDP Photo: Photography by Kaori Peters

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Road Dog Podcast Adventure with Luis Escobar

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"There was a lot of throwing up going up that river and no one would give anyone a ride. I've learned that the hard way."

Ann Trason is widely regarded as one of the greatest ultrarunners of all time. A 14-time

champion of the Western States 100, she dominated the sport throughout the 1990s and early 2000s, redefining what was possible for women in endurance running. She's also a two-time winner of South Africa's legendary Comrades Marathon and a former world record holder at 50 miles and 100 kilometers. Known for her fierce competitiveness, quiet humility, and relentless work ethic, Ann didn't just win races—she changed the standard for excellence in ultrarunning. Today, her legacy continues to inspire generations of trail and ultra-athletes around the world. In this special episode, Luis sits down with Ann in person and chats about all things running.

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2. Subscribe to the podcast on whatever platform you listen on.

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HAMMER NUTRITION show code: Roaddoghn20

Listeners get a special 15% off at https://www.hammernutrition.com

DRYMAX show code: Roaddog2020

Listeners get a special 15% off at https://www.drymaxsports.com/products/

LUNA SANDALS

"Whether I'm hitting the trails or just hanging out, LUNA Sandals are my favorite.

They're designed by Barefoot Ted of Born to Run and made for every

adventure—ultra running, hiking, or just kicking back. Its minimalist footwear

that's good for your feet!" Check them out and get 15% off at

lunasandals.com/allwedoisrun.

Allwedoisrun.com

Luis Escobar (Host) Contact:

luis@roaddogpodcast.com

Luis Instagram

Kevin Lyons (Producer) Contact:

kevin@roaddogpodcast.com

yesandvideo.com

Music: Slow Burn by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/

Original RDP Photo: Photography by Kaori Peters

kaoriphoto.com

Road Dog Podcast Adventure with Luis Escobar

www.roaddogpodcast.com