In this episode, Sam Bell speaks with Sophie Vo about bringing more of the whole human into business: heart, healing, responsibility, joy, intuition and higher consciousness.

Sophie has spent more than 20 years in technology, entrepreneurship, games and leadership. Now, through ORIN and her wider work, she supports leaders and women to come back to their own truth, voice and power. This conversation explores what becomes possible when business can hold more than strategy and execution. It can also hold healing, love, self-mastery, connection and the unseen dimensions that shape how people build.

Content note: this conversation includes brief references to plant medicine.

Thank you to Ludovic Bodin for introducing Sam and Sophie.

This episode explores:
• Joy as a daily practice
• Women’s leadership, sisterhood and returning to yourself
• Healing, safety and going deeper than the mind
• Business as a responsibility, not only a vehicle for achievement
• Bridging the physical business world with the more invisible world
• Love in leadership, emotional self-mastery and conscious founders
• Human Design, Enneagram, plant medicine and tools that help us understand ourselves
• Vulnerability, multidimensionality and being more fully yourself in public

Guest bio
Sophie Vo is a leadership transformation coach, founder of ORIN, and former tech and gaming leader. She has over 20 years of experience as a tech leader and coach, and has guided more than 200 leaders through transformative journeys. Sophie has studied with teachers of transformation including Mezaelle, Satya, Quantum Soul Academy and Homaya.

In 2024, Sophie made a complete transition to dedicate herself to bringing greater consciousness into leadership and business, restoring integrity, vitality and balance to the world.

Guest links:
• Sophie Vo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sophie-vo-riseandplay/
• ORIN: https://www.orinjourney.com/
• About ORIN and Sophie: https://www.orinjourney.com/about
• Rise and Play: https://riseandplay.substack.com/

Conversation references:
• Ludovic Bodin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ludovicbodin
• Human Design: https://www.mybodygraph.com/
• Enneagram Institute: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/

Chapters:
00:00 Welcome to Sophie Vo
01:30 Joy as a daily practice
03:28 Women, retreats and returning to yourself
08:16 Dance, voice and creative expression
10:31 Safety, healing and going deeper than the mind
14:27 Conscious business and founders’ responsibility
25:45 Bridging business with the invisible world
30:08 Human Design, Enneagram and self-understanding
39:11 Multidimensionality, vulnerability and being fully yourself

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Credits:
Hosted by Samantha (Sam) Bell in Kiama and Berlin, 24 April, 2026.
Produced at the Kiama office, 24 April - 14 May, 2026.

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In this episode, Sam Bell speaks with Tina Köstler about tantra as a practice of presence, coming back into the body, and restoring access to pleasure, intuition, connection and aliveness.

Tina shares her shift from high-performing startup life into embodiment, intimacy coaching and tantric practice. Together, Sam and Tina explore what happens when success becomes tunnel vision, how the body carries wisdom, and why tantra is far less about sexuality than many people assume.

This episode explores:
• Breath, movement and sound as routes back into the body
• Startup speed, tunnel vision and the cost of disconnection
• Tantra as presence, polarity and integration
• Masculine and feminine energy beyond gender
• Embodiment as capacity to hold discomfort, anger, joy and aliveness
• Womb wisdom, intuition and the body as an emotional archive
• Finding your own path through deeper listening

Important note:
This conversation includes brief personal reflection on psychedelic experience. Laws and clinical frameworks vary by location. This episode is for general information only and is not medical, mental health or legal advice, or a recommendation to use any substance or treatment. Please seek qualified professional advice and follow the laws where you live.

Guest bio:
Tina Köstler is an intimacy and embodiment coach, tantra facilitator and founder of TinaKoestler.com. After years in high-performance startup environments, including senior operations roles at Choco, Tina now works with women, men and couples to support embodiment, intimacy, emotional release, and deeper connection with the body.

Guest links:
• Tina Köstler: https://tinakoestler.com
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tina-k%C3%B6stler-8a025880/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tina.koestler

Conversation reference:
• David Stancel's Natural Genius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPy6_tYHYY
• Network School: https://ns.com/samanthaleebell/invite

Chapters:
00:00 Welcome to Tina Köstler
01:00 Breath, movement and sound
02:21 Startup speed, tunnel vision and listening to the body
07:27 Embodiment, intimacy coaching and what tantra means
12:20 Seeing potential and transmitting belief
22:34 Masculine, feminine and the balance of polarity
30:33 Embodiment, anger, discomfort and joy
45:23 Tantra as presence and weaving opposites
55:47 Endless ways of finding your path

Explore further:
Book a Lab: https://naturalgenius.com.au
Learn more about Sam: https://samanthabell.com.au
Subscribe to hear future episodes.

Credits:
Hosted by Samantha (Sam) Bell in Violet Town and Bratislava, Slovakia, 30 March, 2026
Produced at the Violet Town and Kiama offices, 30 March - 12 May, 2026

Natural Genius Podcast https://naturalgenius.com.au