Fourteen hundred years before the Apollo missions, a Greek satirist put humans on the Moon. In Lucian of Samosata's True History, a ship gets caught in a whirlwind, and its crew are swept up into the sky, straight into a war between the Sun and the Moon. Lucian tells his readers, upfront, that every word of it is a lie. It might be the first known work of science fiction. It might be something else entirely.

This is not an AI podcast. It’s a podcast about centuries of stories that taught us what AI might be.

Writers Kelly Vero and Dave Bradley are joined by Tom Hunter, Director of the Arthur C Clarke Award, the UK's most prestigious prize for science fiction, to work out what actually counts as the genre, and whether that question even matters.

In your hour-long podcast episode:

• Would Lucian's True History be eligible for the Clarke Award today?

• Why so much early speculative fiction reaches for somewhere else entirely, the Moon, a parallel world, to talk about life here

• Margaret Cavendish, the 17th-century Duchess who wrote The Blazing World while London burned around her, and what changes when new voices start imagining other worlds

• Star Trek, Margaret Atwood and The Handmaid's Tale, and the case that genre labels matter less than what a story is actually doing

• Why judging science fiction by what it "predicted" misses the point of most of it

• The technology that exists because someone met it in fiction first

• Tom's rapid-fire verdicts: Clarke vs Asimov, the Moon vs Mars, and the greatest science-fiction novel to never win the Clarke Award...

Tom Hunter has directed the Arthur C Clarke Award since 2006 and is currently steering it through its 40th anniversary year, which drew a record number of submissions. This year’s Arthur C Clarke Award winner was When There Are Wolves Again by EJ Swift. Tom also runs his own marketing and communications consultancy.

Inspired by their book, Myth-Made Machines: The Stories Behind Artificial Intelligence (Bloomsbury, published September 2026), Kelly and Dave are on a mission to talk about depictions of artificial life and all the stories and philosophies that surround it. Check out the book: https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/mythmade-machines-9798216370673/

Next time: Jonathan Swift, Gulliver's Travels, and a 300-year-old fictional machine that already looks uncomfortably like a chatbot.

Cover art is “The Ship Is Caught Up Into The Skies” by Alfred Payne Garnett from the 1899 edition of Lucian's Wonderland (Blackwood and Sons): https://elfinspell.com/ClassicalTexts/Lucian/Wonderland/Bk1Chap2.html

Long before Silicon Valley, the Greeks built a killer robot out of bronze. This episode asks the question that's been quietly running under human culture for 3,000 years: why do we keep trying to build something in our own image?

Dave and Kelly are joined by USA Today bestselling author Natalie G. Owens (Natalie Guillaumier) for a proper nerd-out on Talos, the bronze automaton said to have patrolled the coastline of Crete, and the Golem, the Jewish folklore figure summoned into obedience through words rather than craft. Two very different ideas about creation, control and what happens when the thing you've made follows your instructions in ways you didn't intend.

In this full podcast episode:

- Was Talos actually a robot, or are we retrofitting the word onto mythology?

- Why does a god like Hephaestus need automated servants?

- Talos's spiritual descendants: Terminator, Transformers, the Iron Giant and every oversized videogame boss

- Golems, obedience and the books that introduced a generation to the idea

- Would you rather be protected by Talos or a Golem?

- How Chinese, Islamic and other traditions were building and imagining automata at the same time

- Natalie discusses writing artificial beings in urban fantasy, paranormal romance and beyond

This isn't another AI podcast about ChatGPT and prompt engineering. It's about the myths, stories and cultural instincts that got us thinking about artificial life millennia before we could build it.

Inspired by our book, Myth-Made Machines: The Stories Behind Artificial Intelligence by Dave Bradley and Kelly Vero (Bloomsbury, published 3rd September 2026): https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/mythmade-machines-9798216370680/

Cover art is “The Death of Talos depicted on a column krater (Museo Archeologico Nazionale del Sannio Caudino, Montesarchio)” by ArchaiOptix - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=93841648

In 1901, sponge divers pulled a lump of corroded bronze from a shipwreck off the Greek island of Antikythera. It took another century to work out what it was: a geared machine that modelled the movements of the heavens, built roughly two thousand years before anything else came close. A machine that, by every rule of history, shouldn't exist.

Welcome to the pilot episode of Myth-Made Machines, the podcast about how humanity imagined artificial intelligence long before anyone managed to build it. Authors Dave Bradley and Kelly Vero go looking for AI in myth, literature, cinema, television and games, rather than in press releases.

In this first episode, the Antikythera mechanism becomes the thread connecting Ancient Greece to Transformers, Star Trek to The Odyssey, and Archimedes to ChatGPT.

We talk about:

• The 1901 discovery, and what the 2005 CT scans finally revealed about how the mechanism worked
• Why a machine that runs itself feels unsettlingly close to something intelligent
• The hobbyist who rebuilt the whole thing out of Lego
• Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, and what fiction does to real archaeology
• Why audiences instinctively reject impossible mechanics, from Transformers to The Legend of Zelda
• Samuel Butler, Margaret Cavendish and the very old fear that machines might evolve past us
• Writing as a technology: specifications, design documents, and the Star Trek tricorder that became your phone
• Why Homer keeps coming back, and how the road from The Odyssey leads to Talos, automata and modern AI

Next time: the gods who built robots.

Myth-Made Machines: How We Imagined AI by Dave Bradley and Kelly Vero is published by Bloomsbury.

Not an AI podcast. A podcast about the stories that made AI.