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Caroline dresses like a prisoner because, as her grandfather used to say, after 50 years of marriage, "murderers get out earlier."

Eva brings John Gottman's The Seven Principles for Making Marriage Work, and we get into the Love Lab, the 5-to-1 rule, the Four Horsemen, the Roach Motel, the mental load, and "just bring socks," why the marriage has to come before the kids, and what happened when we asked Claude for marriage advice.

Plus Book, Meme, and Word of the Week: LARPing.

VIDEO CHAPTERS

00:00 Married 50 Years? Murderers Get Out Earlier
01:00 The Useless Purse Necklace
01:59 Marriage Is All Hints
02:52 Love Is a Verb
03:40 Claude as a Marriage Therapist
04:51 Should You Go to Bed Angry?
05:51 It's Never About the Dishes
07:53 John Gottman's Love Lab
09:39 Solvable vs. Unsolvable Fights
10:17 The 5-to-1 Rule
11:05 The Marriage Is the Unit
12:44 Would You Rather Be Right or Have Peace?
15:01 The Hot Drop
15:38 Happy Wives Live Longer
16:37 Is the Phone the Mistress?
18:20 Hard Talks Happen in the Car
19:55 The Four Horsemen
21:03 "I'm Sorry, But"
22:58 The Roach Motel vs. the Four Seasons
23:26 The Rosh Hashanah Duffel Bag
26:53 The Dolomites Fight
27:15 "Just Bring Socks" and the Mental Load
28:45 The Forgotten EpiPen
29:28 Burn the Backpack
34:13 Nurture Fondness and Admiration
34:51 Are Women Wired to Test Their Husbands?
36:30 70% of Marriage Is Friendship
39:02 Husband Before Kids?
41:21 Living With the In-Laws
43:09 Breaking the Broken Record
45:39 Book and Meme of the Week
46:43 Word of the Week: LARPing
48:05 "We Need to Talk"

We’re two New York City women talking candidly about the chaos of modern life, from relationships, parenting, working in and out of the home, to what it takes to stay semi-sane in a world that expects you to hold it all together and be #blessed.

We couldn’t find an honest and vulnerable conversation — so we started one! If you need a laugh, a cry, or just want to hear someone else admit their flaws and validate your crazy, you’re in the right place. Be ready to be… Unfiltered, Unafraid, and UnExpert.

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Surgeon General Warning Disclaimer: We are self-prescribed unexperts, so if you have any real questions or need real advice, please call your nearest doctor.

© 2025 Eva Heyman & Caroline Leventhal

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Eva and Caroline go all in on American politics this week — a full hour tracing how the Democratic and Republican parties got to where they are today, from the Clinton and Reagan eras through to now. They get personal about their own political journeys, including a confession about a 2016 vote that wasn't exactly popular among friends at the time, and what actually changed after October 7th. The conversation moves through antisemitism and why it's a warning sign worth everyone's attention, the "surplus elite" theory of why so many overeducated, high-achieving people are drawn toward the far left, the role social media plays in deepening our echo chambers, and a candid, personal take on losing friendships over who voted for whom.

In this episode:

• The Democratic Party's shift from Clinton-era centrism to today's progressive wing
• The Republican Party's shift from Reagan-era conservatism to Trump-era populism
• Our own political journeys, and what changed our minds along the way
• Why antisemitism matters as a bellwether for everyone, not just Jewish people
• The "surplus elite" theory and why it's resonating right now
• How social media echo chambers are reshaping how people vote
• A real conversation about losing friends over politics
• What each party actually stands for today, broken down plainly
• Why voting locally matters more than people think

CHAPTERS

0:00 — Welcome
2:16 — Why America Still Matters
5:48 — The Democrats: The Clinton Era
8:29 — Obama, Immigration, and the ACA
17:36 — The Left's Shift: Bernie, the Squad, and Media Reactions
22:17 — 2016, Trump, and Learning to Listen
23:25 — The Republicans: Reagan to Trump
29:02 — Trump's Character, COVID Media, and October 7th
31:54 — Media Trust, Hillary, and Biden's Decline
38:17 — Antisemitism, Social Media, and Radicalization
40:43 — What Each Party Actually Stands For
44:10 — Closing Thoughts and Call to Vote
44:51 — Mic Drop

Resources mentioned:

• Vote.org — register to vote and find your polling place
• Ballotpedia — research local candidates and races

We’re two New York City women talking candidly about the chaos of modern life, from relationships, parenting, working in and out of the home, to what it takes to stay semi-sane in a world that expects you to hold it all together and be #blessed.

We couldn’t find an honest and vulnerable conversation — so we started one! If you need a laugh, a cry, or just want to hear someone else admit their flaws and validate your crazy, you’re in the right place. Be ready to be… Unfiltered, Unafraid, and UnExpert.

Please follow, like, review, and share the podcast with your family and friends!

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Surgeon General Warning Disclaimer: We are self-prescribed unexperts, so if you have any real questions or need real advice, please call your nearest doctor.

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Organizational psychologist Alison Fragale (author of Likable Badass) explains why hiring help is essential for your sanity, not a luxury. She breaks down how she outsources childcare, cleaning, and errands without the guilt, why she hires a "third parent" instead of a nanny, and how to give feedback to the people who help you.

In this episode:

• Why you should always go first in a negotiation (the $300 couch)
• Why going "in the red" on childcare can be an investment
• The market reframe: you're not exploiting anyone by hiring help
• How to hire a "third parent" and give feedback to people who work in your home
• Why 80% done by someone else is a win
• Why to keep a bench of five sitters, and overpay them
• Why earning your own income doesn't end the "why do we need this?" argument, and what it does change

Book of the week: Likable Badass by Alison Fragale [AMAZON LINK]

Connect with Alison: [LINKS]

Chapters

0:00 Welcome, Alison Fragale
3:02 What makes a likable badass
4:50 Always go first (the $300 couch)
9:16 It takes a village
12:17 It's not about money, it's a mindset
14:37 Why it's okay to go "in the red" on childcare
18:13 The guilt of outsourcing
21:35 You're not exploiting anyone: the market reframe
22:34 Care.com, TaskRabbit, and the contractor mindset
25:51 Hire a "third parent"
28:00 How to give feedback without the awkwardness
30:22 Ask what they love and hate doing
31:49 Skip the agency? Alison's hiring philosophy
35:14 "If you leave for another nanny job, I failed you"
36:11 Founder's mentality and the 80% rule
39:27 What else can you outsource?
43:14 Where does your husband fit in?
47:44 The day the movers changed his mind
50:36 Keep a bench of five sitters
53:03 Why you should overpay sitters
57:01 Book of the week: Likable Badass
58:54 Give people a to-do list
1:12:18 Time vs. money in the marriage
1:13:50 Meme of the week

We’re two New York City women talking candidly about the chaos of modern life, from relationships, parenting, working in and out of the home, to what it takes to stay semi-sane in a world that expects you to hold it all together and be #blessed.

We couldn’t find an honest and vulnerable conversation — so we started one! If you need a laugh, a cry, or just want to hear someone else admit their flaws and validate your crazy, you’re in the right place. Be ready to be… Unfiltered, Unafraid, and UnExpert.

Please follow, like, review, and share the podcast with your family and friends!

• Follow us on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/micdandmedicated and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MicdMedicated/podcasts
• Subscribe to our Substack: https://substack.com/@micdandmedicated
• Check out our website: micdandmedicated.com

Surgeon General Warning Disclaimer: We are self-prescribed unexperts, so if you have any real questions or need real advice, please call your nearest doctor.

© 2025 Eva Heyman & Caroline Leventhal