In 2018, Paulina was broke, sitting in the cheapest seats at a Tony Robbins event and wishing that one day she'd be down in the VIP area. Eight years later, she was on that same stage, sharing it with Tony Robbins and Steven Bartlett.

In this episode Paulina tells the full-circle story: staring out at a sea of red seats, her Apple Watch flagging a heart rate of 140 when she didn't even feel nervous, and only realising the magnitude once she walked off stage alone. Bhavna shares the view from backstage, Lisa explains why neither of them would get on stage for love or money, and Lisa reads Paulina's human design: the storyteller who shares her wisdom after a period of reflection.

Timestamps
00:00 Intro
00:38 We ended up on stage with Tony Robbins and Steven Bartlett
01:00 2018: broke, in the cheap seats, wishing for the VIP area
02:16 Eight years later: on stage before Tony Robbins
03:50 "All I could see were the empty red seats"
04:30 Bea's view from backstage
06:55 Seeing Tony Robbins live, and why New Zealand feels so small
09:25 Why Lisa and Bea would never get on stage
09:43 "It's never been easy for me": being on stage is a learned skill
11:34 The Apple Watch alarm: heart rate 140
13:20 Your body knows before your mind does
15:55 Lisa reads Paulina's human design
17:50 Do you actually enjoy being on stage?
20:40 Waiting for the invitation
21:40 "My gut is on holiday"
22:50 Same arena, eight years later: déjà vu
23:13 Outro

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Some people come into your life for a reason, some for a season, and some for a lifetime. But how do you know which is which? This week Lisa explains the Gate 6 friction transit (your chart is the landscape, transits are the weather), and we each get honest about friction and boundaries: Paulina's journey from fortress walls to no walls and back to healthy boundaries, Lisa on why friction is really just a "discussion", and Bhavna (B), who avoids friction altogether, shares her secret to not caring so much: control what you can, and zoom out. Will this matter in 3, 6 or 12 months? We also get into overthinking, having an honest sounding board, and why routine might be the thing your chaotic life needs.

What happens when three very different women bring their energy together?

This week, Paulina asks Lisa to unpack the Penta, a human design idea about what happens when three to five people come together, whether that’s a family, a business team or three friends starting a podcast. Our combined chart explains a lot, including why we’re brilliant at deep conversations and terrible at sticking to a structure.

We also talk about choosing business partners by design, whether compatibility matters in love, finding your purpose, Paulina’s honest reflection on why she chose not to have children, and Lisa on finally asking “what do I want?” at 55.

Our takeaway: ask yourself the big questions now, not in 20 years. You don’t need the answers yet. Neither do we.

Timestamps

01:08 Welcome back: what is a Penta?
03:42 Our combined chart, and why we’re so disorganised
07:19 Human design in business: finding complementary partners
08:09 Does compatibility matter in love?
10:20 The practical one and the emotional one
12:15 How do you find your life’s purpose?
15:43 Why it’s so hard to answer “what brings me joy?”
16:44 Paulina: why I chose not to have children
19:11 Lisa: kids at 24 and freedom at 55
21:17 Our takeaway: embrace your weirdness

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