In this solo episode of Everybody Else, Wes explores the idea of containment; the often overlooked discipline of managing energy, attention, and focus in moments of pressure. Through a personal story, he reflects on how easily momentum turns into noise when structure disappears, and why clarity often comes from slowing down as opposed to pushing harder. This episode looks at how high performers stay grounded, protect their attention, and create the conditions for clean, confident decision-making.

Recorded on December 12, 2025 at Wally Opus Sound Studios in Evansville, Indiana.
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This show is supported by: Thru-Line Development Company.

Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

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Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Sandy Gennaro is a legendary rock drummer, author, and public speaker born in Little Italy, NY. With a career spanning over 50 years in music, he's played for world-renowned entertainers including Cyndi Lauper, Joan Jett & The Blackhearts, The Monkees, and Bo Diddley. Now based with his family in Nashville, TN, Sandy travels the world as a keynote speaker sharing stories from his career tied to lessons in business and leadership that have benefited companies like FedEx, Keller/Williams, and CBS Telecom, to name a few. In 2022, Sandy released, Beat The Odds, his first book addressing business management, the music industry, and his personal life experience as a drummer and public speaker.

Recorded on December 10, 2025 at Sandy's house in Nashville, Tennessee.
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Thank you to our show sponsors:

The Victory Theatre: Located in the heart of downtown Evansville, Indiana, The Victory Theatre is a historic 1,950-seat venue hosting world-class entertainment such as Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit, Louis C.K, Deana Carter, and Eddie Griffin, to name a few. Managed by Venuworks, the 124-year-old theatre is also home to the Evansville Philharmonic Orchestra and Signature School, Indiana’s first charter school and a top-raked charter school in the nation. See all upcoming events at victorytheatre.com.

Thru-Line Development Company: Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is an advisory practice supporting artists and their teams during moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on removing noise, clarifying direction, and aligning creative, operational, and human systems so progress remains intentional and sustainable. Thru-Line approaches development through contained, long-arc work informed by cross-industry systems and structures. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor

Chrystelle Nammour is an artist development advisor who serves as the Head of Groover Club, a coaching program for emerging artists within Groover. Having consulted on the projects of over 350 artists, she is an original creator of the Groover Club as well as the Groover Masterclass, a music business educational program for independent artists. Based in Paris, France, Chrystelle is also a recording artist and serves as a member of She Said So France, an organization dedicated to bringing together women of the music industry by exchanging advice, best practices, and personal experiences in a spirit of sisterhood.

Recorded virtually on December 10, 2025.
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Thank you to our show sponsors:

Groover is the global go-to platform for independent artists for all their promotional needs and artist services. It started with a simple but frustrating truth: talented artists weren’t getting heard. Emails went unanswered, demos got lost, and opportunities stayed out of reach. Insert Groover—a platform where artists could finally connect with industry pros, get real feedback, and unlock new career opportunities. Today, 3,000+ pros and curators listen to new tracks from over 500,000+ artists who use Groover to share their music, get feedback, and land real opportunities—over 5M pieces of feedback given, 1M+ shares, reviews, and playlist adds, and 1,500+ label signings.

Visit https://groover.co/en/ to promote your next single and get 15% off your first campaign by using promo code EVERYBODYELSE (good for one campaign). Here's how it can be applied.

Thru-Line Development Company: Based in Evansville, Indiana, Thru-Line is a development and advisory practice working with artists and their teams at moments of growth, transition, or pressure. The work focuses on simplifying complexity, removing noise, and creating clarity for better decision-making across creative, operational, and human systems. The goal: progress that feels intentional, aligned, and sustainable. Learn more at artistdev.co.

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Everybody Else is a podcast dedicated to pulling back the curtain on the lives and work of the music people you don’t see. From producers and publicists to label execs, venue managers, and beyond, this show dives into the real stories, strategies, and lessons from those building and running the business of music. Whether you're an aspiring artist, a curious fan, or someone working behind the scenes yourself, Everybody Else offers a candid look into what it takes to build a meaningful, lasting career in the always-evolving world of music through engaging dialogue between host, Wes Luttrell, and a plethora of interesting guests.

Follow Wes: Main link
Music by Jim Noir
Artwork by Ethan Douglass
Distributed by Transistor