(0:00) Billy Evans joins Friedberg

(3:38) How they met, Elizabeth the person vs the headlines, indictment

(11:02) Life on trial, having a child, where she went wrong in fundraising

(19:28) Understanding the verdict, sentencing, and the mistake of staying silent

(26:09) Elizabeth calls from prison, her life in jail

(31:34) Why they did the documentary with Nathan Fielder

(35:47) The road home, restitution math, why his new company is not Theranos 2.0

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(0:00) Martin Shkreli joins the Besties!

(0:55) Why quantum computing is a one-trick business and why he's betting against it

(7:42) The drugs big pharma sells too cheap and his journey from hedge fund trader to pharma

(11:37) AI, drug discovery, and who actually wins

(21:32) Brilliance and rule-breaking, the gifted-kid trap & what prison taught him

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Meta believes the future is for everyone. We're focused on giving every person the tools to reach their full potential and making sure the benefits of technology are distributed to all. http://www.meta.com

Keel Infrastructure owns the power, land, and connectivity that HPC and AI run on - backed by secured energy assets and established grid interconnections across North America. https://keelinfra.com/

Airwallex - Agentic Global Business Accounts. Open local accounts in 70+ countries to accept payments, earn yield, pay globally, and manage spend. http://airwallex.com

PayPal has been revolutionizing commerce globally for more than 25 years. Creating innovative experiences that make moving money, selling, and shopping simple, personalized, and secure, PayPal empowers consumers and businesses in approximately 200 markets to join and thrive in the global economy. For more information, visit https://www.paypal.com

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