What does it look like when spiritual maturity, emotional health, and holy ambition exist together?

In this episode, join Jay Kim and Drew Hyun for a conversation about living “the mixed life” modeled by Jesus—one of contemplation in the inner life and mission in the outer world. Drew traces his path from an early ministry marked by arrogance and conflict to an ongoing pursuit of emotional health as a leader, pastor, and person. Drew and Jay work through a series of helpful questions for assessing both personal formation and the culture forming in our churches. They also explore the thin line separating holy ambition from selfish ambition, influence as the latest measure of pastoral success, and what it looks like to pursue the “progress and joy” of the gospel while protecting our inner lives.

Drew Hyun is a pastor, founder, and author in New York City. He currently pastors at Hope Church Midtown. He is also the President of Emotionally Healthy Discipleship. He and his wife Tina have two children, David and Avery.

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Mentioned in this conversation:

• Emotionally Healthy Discipleship by Pete Scazzero
• Emotionally Healthy Success by Pete Scazzero
• The School of Emotionally Healthy Leadership
• In the Name of Jesus by Henri Nouwen